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Slynky May 30th, 2004 06:37 AM

The Grudge-Match of Doom - (trashtalk/game progress)
 
Well, Primitive made the suggestion and since my turns seem to be in a lull...I took the first step ( http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif ).

It's an important matchup with high-rated players in the SE4 Ratings System: 1st place, 2nd place, 4th place, and a new member to the Ratings System(returning after a year's time).

Though you might not be a member of the Ratings System (or otherwise involved in the game), you might peek a bit to see the progress in a matchup of very good players in a 2 x 2 game.

To set the mood, my spies have managed to sneak some footage from a high-level meeting between Lord Primitive and Admiral Alneyan:

http://www.se4-gaming.net\images\2x2\2x2-1.jpg

Mark the Merciful May 30th, 2004 10:08 AM

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http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon6.gif

Alneyan May 30th, 2004 08:16 PM

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There is obviously two gross mistakes in this wicked work of the malicious Slynky:
- First of all, the said meeting involved the Pairs game, rather than the current "One player to rule them all" game.
- Besides, I am depicted like a somewhat strange being, looking like the cross-breeding of a Quasit and a goblin. We all know I do hide my actual appearance, lest I am too easily identified, thus compromising my mission. I also happen to have a somewhat fair complexion (I could teach alabaster a thing or three about pallor), which is obviously not the case in this picture.

These two elements show that it cannot be related to the truth in any way. It is our belief that Slynky is the mastermind behind this conspiracy, for words and mischief are his hallmarks. Indeed, we have had an interview with an expert in this field, a certain Nayelan, who holds a PhD diploma. (Doctor of Propaganda and Hypocrisy)

"Three questions to Doctor Nayelan:

- The Free Inquiry : Greetings, Doctor Nayelan. Would you be so kind as in telling us about your latest work, "A Primer to the understanding of the mind of Slynky", which has been regarded as the most comprehensive study on this subject?
- Doctor Nayelan : My thesis is the result of several years of research, where I have compiled all the reliable information I could find, notwithstanding the perils for my own life. Afterwards, I have compared all this data to make the most accurate and unbiased portrait of Slynky. The result of all these years of labour is the book you hold in your hands.

As it happens, Slynky has previously used such works of propaganda to further his own agenda. For instance... Well, let's skip the examples, as I don't quite recall the details well. Anyhow, suffice it to say he does not have any problem with using misinformation and blatant lies.


- FI: But does this picture have any connection with reality, or is it a sheer misconception, mean means to belittle his opponents?
- DN: In fact, it does connect to a previous game, but not in the way you would expect. It was a 2vs2 game where Slynky fought together with Alneyan (at least in theory, as I will highlight later on), against a certain Parabolize and his ally, Electrum. It was indeed the same Alneyan he is currently vilipending for no apparent reason.

The fact is, Slynky did not get involved in any major battle (not without losing it at any rate) in the aforementioned game, while Alneyan courageously glassed unprotected colonies in remote systems. You merely needed to put some of the Trithian ships in a battle to trigger a major defeat for the Alneyan/Slynky side, even when the odds of being defeated where about as high as being rescued by a ship in less than thirty seconds while being stranded in deep space. (And this number is as close to zero as it makes no matter) But I digress.

Therefore, Slynky hopes to put aside his own problems by displaying a craven Alneyan. I would have had a lot to say if he had not admitted his own victory was mostly due to Alneyan, but fortunately he made such an acknowledgment. The current picture we are shown only stresses what I have explained, if it was needed.


- FI: But what about this other... creature displayed in the right? Is there any similar connection with this game?
- DN: Indeed, and I was going to explain it, had you not interrupted me. In the said game, Alneyan gifted his ministers to Slynky, and put them in charge of all the military operations, without letting Slynky know about this small change obviously. These ministers were the ones in charge of the Arcadia League when she faced the Primitive Horde, and while they were the finest the League had to offer at the outbreak of the conflict, they were little more than children once they met Primitive.

So Primitive seems to have the ability to rape the minds of his foes, thanks to his unspoken powers, ac. This picture does reflect this fear, for Primitive appears as an omnipotent being, able to infuse fear and dread in the heart of his victims. History shall tell whether this concern was founded or not, which would mean that "the best the Arcadia League has to offer" was about as bright as two-day-old bugs. You can obviously see how punny Alneyan appears next to the almighty Primitive, while he is kept under the thumb of the Primitive One with hardly more than a few snapped injunctions. In the end, "gibberish" would be too kind a word to describe Alneyan's speech when faced with the wrath of Primitive.


- FI: A Last thought to end this "Three questions to..." article? (It would indeed by the fourth question, as we cannot abide by the laws of logic after all)
- NE: If you would be so kind as in letting me finish my sentences once in a while, I might had something else. Don't you notice that Mark has returned at a very convenient moment? As soon as the previous game came to an end, he made his proposal and Slynky gave his agreement as quickly as possible.

Besides, Mark defeated Primitive in the past, which is no mean feat in my book. Only Asmala would be able to perform it, and even he would fret when faced with the ire of the Primitive One. Therefore, I have strong suspicions about the actual identity of Mark, which I will unravel in my upcoming book "Of the benefits of deception and fraud", to come in all good bookshops next week and...


- FI: Erh, we are looking forward to it and... Thank you for your time, Doctor Nayelan.
- DN: I would gladly return the compliment, but hypocrisy isn't paramount to me. I was glad to be of any assistance to enlighten you though."


Your picture was very nice Slynky, but it shall be yet another grudge on our list. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif I guess we should also invest in a device enabling us to measure the number of lies/misinformation/deception going on in this thread as well, but what would you expect from a tile including the word "Trashtalk" in it? Alas, I do not know Mark at all, which will hinder my efforts in this field. (I couldn't think of something better than the cliché conspiracy theory about his identity. Hopefully, as the game goes on I will be able to make up for this lack. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif )

[ May 30, 2004, 19:26: Message edited by: Alneyan ]

primitive May 30th, 2004 11:59 PM

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Nice picture Slynky but the Strategy meeting was more like this:

http://www.lambiek.net/artists/corben/corben_den.jpg

Good story Alneyan http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Slynky May 31st, 2004 12:18 AM

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Ahhh, just as I thought, Lord P, our highly reliable X-10 cameras must have gone on the fritz and missed that footage you showed... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif .

And yes, it WAS a good story. But it's a bit unbelievable, on the verge of lies I must add. As you can see by more stolen footage:

http://www.se4-gaming.net\images\2x2\2x2-2.jpg

Mark the Merciful May 31st, 2004 12:29 AM

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Quote:

- FI: A Last thought to end this "Three questions to..." article? (It would indeed by the fourth question, as we cannot abide by the laws of logic after all)
- NE: If you would be so kind as in letting me finish my sentences once in a while, I might had something else. Don't you notice that Mark has returned at a very convenient moment? As soon as the previous game came to an end, he made his proposal and Slynky gave his agreement as quickly as possible.

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Damnit, I've been found out already!

You're right of course. "Mark the Merciful" was just a fake identity put together by Slynky in order to sleaze his way up the ladder in the KOTH tournament. But the Last laugh was on him, because even though he was playing against himself, he accidentally won with the wrong empire and had to quickly kill off that identity in order to save himself from future embarasment.

And now? Well who's writing this, if it's not Slynky, and why is it in the third person? The answer is of course that I am Slynky, it's just that I've forgotten to take my medication for the Last couple of days and I'm feeling a bit comfused. Nurse!

Slynky May 31st, 2004 11:46 AM

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No. I'm Slynky!

Joachim May 31st, 2004 11:52 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by Slynky:
No. I'm Slynky!
<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">No, he's Slynky (gesticulates wildly over there) http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Alneyan May 31st, 2004 12:43 PM

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Why, you have my word as a fiendish Dark Elf that I merely spoke the truth Slynky, and used the best unbiased information I could find. As if spies would actually tamper with deceit!

My browser still censures your pictures Slynky, so I will deny having seen it, which will spare me some embarrassment. Therefore, I shall make no formal comment on this perfidy, and will instead gently ask Slynky to put his head on a silver plater if he doesn't want to face the fate Primitive has depicted a few Posts ago. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif But why do I have the nagging feeling this meagre request will not exactly be enough, and will only succeed in provoking laughter?

Slynky May 31st, 2004 02:16 PM

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Tsk, tsk...

You guys should finish your discussions about the fastest way to get the Talisman and upload your empire files... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

Alneyan June 1st, 2004 07:07 PM

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The Byzantine Conspiracy: A Unique Hindsight Regarding the Grudge-Match of Doom, and the Various Crafty Schemes Used Therein.

Diary enter number 1: first turn.

Dear diary,
Since diplomacy can be such a wondrous tool, the following Messages were sent this turn to all my "friends":
- To Primitive: Truth be told, I reckon you to be able to do an outstanding job at handling this small matter. Therefore, I shall entrust you with the full command of both our Empires, your Lordship, for I shall attend a three-month long educational course on "Pedicure and Proper Health Care of Scales" at the other side of the galaxy. You approved of this initiative, given the benefits for your person, my Liege.

With all due respect,
Your but humble servant, Alneyan.

- To Slynky: When all is said and done, I cannot help but wondering at what your ally can do. I had half a mind to challenge him to beat Primitive the Undaunted, while neither your Empire nor mine would interfere. We are friends after all, so why should we lock sabres over such a trifling matter as a few grudges? Therefore, my proposal shall be as follow: we are to make a strategical withdrawal to a place of interest (such as the Tattoos thread), while Primitive and Mark fights it out.

I am looking forward to hearing from you,
Your friend, Alneyan.

- To the attention of the Earl Mark of (Somewhere in England, a place to your liking)
It is my hope that the present missive will find out in good health. Alas, I do not bear good tidings for your ears. Indeed, your ally has been having a dubious demeanour of late, as he made an opening hinting at betrayal. I do believe he is secretly supporting Primitive even while he pledged you his support. Thus he aims at grasping power for himself, as he is wont to do, another kingmaker if you will. I urge you to remain wary of his actions, lest he should betray you and give you over to your foe, the Usurpator Primitive.

With my best wishes for the future,
Your trusted councillor, Alneyan.

- To myself: I ought to keep Primitive under check, as he may very well attempt to cross me, his closest ally in this hour of dire need. Therefore, I shall keep a taskforce ready to remove him from power if needed be. Better safe than sorry, as the saying goes, and you want to remain very cautious with such a partner.

- To my second self: My first self is not to be trusted any more with my secrets. I shall terminate this identity at the earliest convenience, or otherwise I might betray myself. "Paranoia at its finest" is the motto of the Ilythiiri Hegemony after all, and I shall live up to this standard of trust, sincerity and nobility.

Slynky June 7th, 2004 01:54 AM

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Communique: Lord Merciful
Classification: Top Secret
Subject: Intel

Start Transmission:

Lord Merciful, we have encountered a ship of the Primitive! It is as we thought, a race without a technology that matches ours. Enclosed ship image:

http://www.se4-gaming.net\images\2x2\2x2-3.jpg

End Transmission.

Communique: Lord Merciful
Classification: Top Secret
Subject: Intel

Start Transmisson (addendum):

Lord Merciful, we have managed with our hi-tech cameras, to capture a closer image of the enemy scout ship. Please notice the captain!

End Transmission.

http://www.se4-gaming.net\images\2x2\2x2-3a.jpg

Mark the Merciful June 7th, 2004 11:36 AM

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Communique: Emperor Slynky
Classification: Top Secret
Subject: Outrageously doctored intel

Start Transmission:

You have far too much time on your hands.

Endit

[ June 07, 2004, 10:38: Message edited by: Mark the Merciful ]

primitive June 7th, 2004 04:59 PM

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Date 2400,9
Extract from the communication between the forward base in the Mentocka system and High Priest Primitive back in the devirginising chambers.

- We bare strange news o rancid one:
A race of incredibly ugly aliens have been encountered. They call themselves the Trithian empire, and claim to be technologically superior to us. Yet when we inspect the wreck of their "mighty" fighting ship we find that its of the smallest possible size (escort) and only has engines of the most basic design.

- Wreck, you say. Was there a battle ?

- Not as such, o ye of the foul breath. A colonizer met this anoying little bug at warppoint. The crash scratched the paint a bit, but else the ship is OK.

- The paint ? Not the beatifull custom red flame paint ? Arrrgh !! Exterminate the ugly bugs !!! Arrrgh !!1 *.@ http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon8.gif 3$€ ..

..... Communication interrupted.

Slynky June 14th, 2004 09:19 PM

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What cheap scum uses mines (I lost a valuable ship)? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon8.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/rolleyes.gif

Oh, never mind...I use them, too http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Joachim July 6th, 2004 05:21 AM

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Update??

Paul1980au July 6th, 2004 07:02 AM

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Mines are part and parcel of a good defensive strategy especially against AI ships that dont carry minesweepers in their fleets.

primitive July 6th, 2004 10:08 AM

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- High Priest Primitive. Some of our border system has been infected with tiny organic antlike thingies. Our allies, the Ilythiiri, claim they are ships, but our scientists cannot think of any reason such tiny ships would be of use in this day and age (2403.0).
- No organic infection will be allowed to desecrate the holy skies of the Horde. Send in some real ships and blow them away.


Alneyan has been away on vacation, so it has been slow going for a while.
Mark and Slynky both took Organic. I am Religious and Alneyan fight without any racial techs.

Currently turn 30. Up to now all action has been with mines and a few random ship battles. First real blood came Last turn when the Organic duo glassed a couple of Alneyans planets.
At the moment both of them are moving medium fleets of mainly Destroyers forward to the frontlines so I expect some real action within the next couple of turns. We have a lot of shared systems with hard to defend planets around so there are plenty of room for manoeuvring.

Let the fun begin http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Paul1980au July 6th, 2004 10:13 AM

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Id plant some mines aournd youre planets to leave a few surprises (coat the whole space around youre planet with 2-5 mine minefields - it makes them come through and leave a few ships

If you have a random movement nebula as a buffer it is always good to leave a few mines and sats floating around the space ! as things in the way of invading ships.

Alneyan July 14th, 2004 07:25 PM

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An example of a comprehensive and thoughtful analysis: reflexion on the relationship between the members of the Alliance of Doom, which is to say Primitive and Alneyan (have you noticed how anything is more fun when it is "of Doom"? Ah, you aren't reading this thread because of such considerations).

"The Last sparkles of the dying fire gave an eerie atmosphere to the room as they gave their faltering light to the sumptuous decorations on the walls. By the heart was the magnificent throne of the rightful King, the no less majestic Primitive. A sense of wonder filled every of his subjects when they set their eyes on his regal figure. The fragnance of lavender followed the steps of the Lord Protector Alneyan, adorned in his silver armour. As he came near, the King was staring at the dancing flames, a pondering expression written on his features.

Gentle reader, if you have been fooled by my attempt at drama, my best advice is to stop reading these lines at once. Only official propaganda would pretend such a scene could happen in our land; it does require an inquisitive mind to dismiss, and this work is only intended for a like-minded audience.

In fact, Primitive was sitting on the ground of his dusty cavern, dressed in a ragged leather suit and wielding his sledgehammer as a royal scepter. The smells of raw meat, filth and blood were stifling, and could not fail to bring uneasiness to any guest (most did make a bothersome connection between the weapon, the odor of blood and their own persons). He was scolding the whole assembly of his subjects, which were made of two mice (called Pinky and the brain) and Alneyan, clad from head to foot in a black robe. And such words were uttered by Primitive:

- 'Did you hear the latest news? I will not suffer such inconveniences! Do you hear me?' Already the Primitive One was threatening to throw a tantrum, and blood was rising to his cheeks.
- 'Yes my Liege. Might I ask you what troubles you so my Liege?' Alneyan awkwardly shifted his hands in his black robe, which almost threatened to drown him.
- 'No, you cannot. You should figure it out on your own before I have to summon you here. Or are you a dimwit?'
- 'Yes my Liege. Erh, I mean, no my Liege. What may have escaped my attention?'
-'Do not dare mock me!'
-'No my Liege.' There was only a heartbeat moment of hesitation, but it was certainly noticeable.
-'Humpft. I will be blunt: your service has been far from being even adequate, and I do not see why I keep you in my service.'

"Neither do I" or "Perhaps these chains might make doing anything a tad more difficult" were tartly responses suitable to answer back, but somehow Alneyan had an hunch it wouldn't agree with diplomacy. Instead, he merely replied 'And what shall I do then?'
- 'Following my instructions will be enough. You know I am too busy with this silly conflict to take the time to check everything you might be doing wrong. What part of this sentence is too difficult for you to understand?'
- 'It is quite clear, my Liege. So what would be required to assist you in your skirmish against the Bane of Worlds to the south?'

An actual burst of laughter came from Primitive. 'Why, I will not entrust you with any matter regarding that war. It is a business for serious men, and we don't need someone as green as summer. Now, what I need you to do is to stop putting so much salt in all my meals. Go fix food for me, and get lost.'

Words are indeed useless to explain how enlightening this exchange was.

From the memories of a renegade, by Prisoner 4147-91."

Editor's note: Due to pressing concerns involving torture and retribution, the author did not manage to meet the deadline for publication of his work. He is said to be still alive, somewhere in the caverns, and so he may come back to finish it. It does seem unlikely nonetheless.

Until then, here is the valuable information which didn't make it to the bookstores: the war machines used by the Horde are decoy, as the Alliance of Doom cannot afford to outfit them with weaponry. As such, nobody should be scared of seeing a host of cruisers marching to war, since they are mostly harmless.

The reason for it is as follow: the abduction of the matron Vyrnesha, leading the Ilythiiri Hegemony, has caused the deterioration of the relationship between the two members of the Alliance of Doom (Primitive and Alneyan). Likewise, the ruthless Primitive has quenched all protests in blood, which lead to disquiet among the populace. It has then been decided to throw good money after bad, and the Alliance of Doom tried its best to regain control over its subjects by unleashing three million barbarians with extensive orders (they were "Kill and Destroy"). After a few months, the whole resources of the Alliance were put to the inward front, while the actual foe was left alone and unchecked.


I will have to beg forgiveness for the poor update, but not much has happened during these Last few turns. Mark glassed one or two more planets, while I gathered my courage to destroy one unarmed ship of his which was roaming near one of my colonies. It has been declared a major victory, and three weeks of celebrations followed, weakening even more my Empire.

I gather these turns were the calm before the storm. But what sort of storm will it be? My bet is that it will be Primitive's wrath falling on my poor shoulders given my incompetence at handling my Empire. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Slynky July 14th, 2004 09:31 PM

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Ohhhh, now THAT'S delicious reading!

Of course, readers, do not mistake what has been recorded below as actual truth. Rather, assume it to be the rantings of a borderline lunatic/genius whose erratic behavior (and dissemination of false information) is the key to his successes in battle.

Nevertheless, the image of Alneyan dangling from rusty manacles in a dimly-lit cell DO spark a mild interest! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Alneyan July 14th, 2004 09:47 PM

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Hmm, I guess I should countermand the command that, if Slynky is taken alive, we owe him a quick death. Instead, if he finds that being a prisoner of some sort is rather interesting, I guess he could face the same fate and thoroughly enjoy such a situation. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

No matter what, it cannot be half as interesting as the pictures posted in a certain thread, which was soberly entitled "OT: DragonCon (for Primitive)". *Hint hint*

Oh, and in case someone was actually wondering: I guess I cannot deny having a slight drop of insanity in my brain (or whatever currently poses as my brain). No culprit or scapegoat has been found to explain this as of yet. But you could argue that "genius is the upstairs neighbour of madness" though (this quote isn't mine sadly).

Slynky July 19th, 2004 11:32 PM

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Primitive, in case your fleet radar is faulty, or your commander had his head turned for a second or two, I should advise you that is NOT a dead fly on your windshield/windscreen, it was my fleet http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif .

primitive July 19th, 2004 11:59 PM

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LOL

Then why do I have this nagging feeling these antiquated small flies was not your "real" fleet ?
After all you should have been able to do some research by now http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Slynky July 20th, 2004 12:15 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by primitive:
LOL

Then why do I have this nagging feeling these antiquated small flies was not your "real" fleet ?
After all you should have been able to do some research by now http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">It appears we took the wrong colony type and atmosphere (sigh... but sometimes, it's a crap roll). Take a look in Vintindrin and Zegrat (20 planets between those two systems and not a single gas planet in it). Stuff like that...even though we own more systems (or did...LOL).

primitive July 20th, 2004 12:35 AM

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Taking Gas is always risky. Can give you some nice huge ones, but one should never underestimate the power of the moons (for shipyards).

You still own more systems than we do, pluss all (most off) your Rock planets should be colonized by now and new organic ships are only a dime a dozen. Maybe I just should hold of relaxing a bit more http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Slynky July 22nd, 2004 12:11 AM

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On a more serious note...hey, Alneyan, remember the problems we had doing gifts and trades in the match with Gecko and (Grand) Master B.? Well, it's happened 4 or 5 times now in this game http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon8.gif . I don't mind being horsewhipped by you guys but there's no need for the game to jump into the fray as well!

So, how's trading/gifting going for you guys? Any similar problems?

Alneyan July 22nd, 2004 12:42 PM

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No such problem this time around. Do you make and accept trades as the very Last thing in the turn? I am not sure if you should add something to the default message or not though.

Slynky July 23rd, 2004 01:04 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by Alneyan:
No such problem this time around. Do you make and accept trades as the very Last thing in the turn? I am not sure if you should add something to the default message or not though.
<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I made sure we did them the way it worked between us in that game. I go through the entire log first...moving ships, looking at fly-swatting, checking retro-fits, etc. Then I accept the trade. Then I work on production. SO, I put the answer (that I never change the text on) in the middle.

primitive July 23rd, 2004 01:27 AM

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Thought the trade bug was fixed in 1.91 http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

Changing the message don’t seem to cause any problems. Since the trade bug was discovered I have always made sure any diplomacy is the absolutely Last thing I do before hitting F12. Never had any problems since.

[ July 22, 2004, 12:28: Message edited by: primitive ]

Slynky July 23rd, 2004 02:46 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by primitive:
Thought the trade bug was fixed in 1.91 http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

Changing the message don’t seem to cause any problems. Since the trade bug was discovered I have always made sure any diplomacy is the absolutely Last thing I do before hitting F12. Never had any problems since.

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Well, it's definitely NOT working and damned if I can figure out why! Yet ANOTHER turn where I have replied "Accept" to give Battle Cruisers to Mark (and get something from him) and yet another turn where the entire trade was completely ignored! Nothing transferred. And believe me, I absolutely stare at the "Accept" button on the trade when I click and read the text it supplies in the message area after the click. It's as if someone turned off tech trading for us http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon8.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon8.gif

I realize our position looks bleak but this pisses me off!

primitive July 23rd, 2004 02:58 PM

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Maybe we could get Joachim (or Geo) to rerun the turn offline and try to figure out whats going on.

Joachim July 23rd, 2004 03:09 PM

Re: The Grudge-Match of Doom - (trashtalk/game progress)
 
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Originally posted by primitive:
Maybe we could get Joachim (or Geo) to rerun the turn offline and try to figure out whats going on.
<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">While I'm happy to try, I suggest getting someone who knows what they're doing - ie not me!

Can you trade Primitive?

Alneyan July 23rd, 2004 03:15 PM

Re: The Grudge-Match of Doom - (trashtalk/game progress)
 
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Then I accept the trade. Then I work on production
<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Do you accept the trade as the very Last thing in your turn (a few seconds before ending your turn), or do something else after that? It is the only known explanation for the trade bug, and that part of your message worries me a bit. And what about Mark?

I am not sure if the trade bug strike when you accept the trade, when you propose it, or both. I have a hunch it happens at both times; the actual message may be sent fine, but the contents of the trade are lost in the process. At least, that is a theory based on no ground whatsoever, but...

If not, I don't have the slightest clue about what isn't working for you. The closest to hit was what happened in the NGC games, where one player couldn't accept any trade. I am not too sure if this problem had been solved or not; perhaps Ruatha has a better answer about this. But the NGC games are much bigger than our 2vs2 game, and sheer size may be a factor triggering the trade bug.

primitive July 23rd, 2004 03:30 PM

Re: The Grudge-Match of Doom - (trashtalk/game progress)
 
Joachim.
Well, it needs to be someone who knows the master password http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Its really nothing to it. We send you our Last turnfiles (and our passwords) and you run the turn on your computer. If the trade still don’t come through, Slynky can try to redo the turn until it works.

And if we can’t get it to work at all, maybe its better to just nullify the game.

Edit: Forgot; Me and the snickering one trades fine http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

[ July 23, 2004, 14:31: Message edited by: primitive ]

Joachim July 23rd, 2004 03:43 PM

Re: The Grudge-Match of Doom - (trashtalk/game progress)
 
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Originally posted by primitive:
Joachim.
Well, it needs to be someone who knows the master password http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Its really nothing to it. We send you our Last turnfiles (and our passwords) and you run the turn on your computer. If the trade still don’t come through, Slynky can try to redo the turn until it works.

And if we can’t get it to work at all, maybe its better to just nullify the game.

Edit: Forgot; Me and the snickering one trades fine http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Happy to try - but no promises!

Alneyan July 23rd, 2004 03:43 PM

Re: The Grudge-Match of Doom - (trashtalk/game progress)
 
Incidentally, would it be allowed to edit the game file in order to add, for example, Battle Cruisers to either Slynky or Mark? It would require some time to pinpoint the exact location of this value, but it *should* be possible.

However, I don't know if tweaking savegames is allowed and fine for MM (or even laws for this matter), so I am not too sure if such a solution can be considered. And all players would have to agree, obviously. But it *might* be a solution, if all else fails.

Otherwise, removing this game from the rated list will probably be the best indeed (as long as we still go on with playing).

Slynky July 23rd, 2004 05:37 PM

Re: The Grudge-Match of Doom - (trashtalk/game progress)
 
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Originally posted by Joachim:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Originally posted by primitive:
Joachim.
Well, it needs to be someone who knows the master password http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Its really nothing to it. We send you our Last turnfiles (and our passwords) and you run the turn on your computer. If the trade still don’t come through, Slynky can try to redo the turn until it works.

And if we can’t get it to work at all, maybe its better to just nullify the game.

Edit: Forgot; Me and the snickering one trades fine http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Happy to try - but no promises! </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">It's really easy. You load all the plr files and the gam file in your savegame folder. Crank up the program and load the gam file. Then log in as the master and run the turn. At this point, you can have my password to see if the trade came through or just load the resulting gam file back on PBW as a replacement file.

Slynky July 23rd, 2004 05:46 PM

Re: The Grudge-Match of Doom - (trashtalk/game progress)
 
As to remarks about canceling the rating (or nullifying the game completely), I think we wouldn't consider that. Who knows what might have been different but the probable outcome with the Talisman in hand makes it easier to predict. Yes, it took 2 turns (also) for LC to come to me (and it held me up 2 turns making sweepers and bigger ships) for one example. Organic Armor III didn't go to Mark on another ocassion...resulting in ships being built with Org armor II for another turn. A combat component II failed to transfer once. I hesitate to mention the others (besides BC) since the items in question need to stay a secret.

But, I don't think anyone is considering nullifying the game...perhaps saying that defeat will look worse than it should have due to trading glitches.

Mark the Merciful July 23rd, 2004 10:28 PM

Re: The Grudge-Match of Doom - (trashtalk/game progress)
 
Dear Aunt PBW,

When playing alongside an ally, it can be quite distressing to find that he's almost conceding defeat when the war has hardly started. What does one do in such a situation?

Signed,
Anxious.

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Dear Anxious,

Clearly your so-called ally is not worthy of your talents. I suggest that you mock him mercilessly until he sees reason. If this doesn't work, your only recourse is to change sides and join your enemies in pounding him into dust. Either way, you must on no account allow him to leave the game until his Last planet has been nuked into a small ball of radioative glass.

Yours,
Aunt PBW.

Slynky July 24th, 2004 01:08 AM

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Then we can call you, Mark the Mercilessly http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif .

Joachim July 24th, 2004 02:11 AM

Re: The Grudge-Match of Doom - (trashtalk/game progress)
 
Slynky, do you want to send me your password?

I think I have done the turn and stuff.

When did you guys offer the trade and how? Was it a gift or trade?

Mark's empire log does not have any gift recieved/sent traded Messages.

Edit: Slynky, let me know what research you expect to recieve or something in the next turn so I can be sure that I'm looking at the next turn

[ July 24, 2004, 01:17: Message edited by: Joachim ]

Slynky July 24th, 2004 04:02 AM

Re: The Grudge-Match of Doom - (trashtalk/game progress)
 
Sorry, Joachim...I wasn't sure you had all the turns (or, for that matter, that everyone had sent them)...so we watched a family movie ("Fluke").

If you have Mark's PW, then he should have received BC hull. If he didn't receive anything, then running it off PBW didn't make any difference...and we should just continue with trying again. It was a trade he offered and I accepted.

(just sent you my PW).

Joachim July 24th, 2004 04:17 AM

Re: The Grudge-Match of Doom - (trashtalk/game progress)
 
Looks like running the turn offline has not helped the situation http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

Slynky July 24th, 2004 04:23 AM

Re: The Grudge-Match of Doom - (trashtalk/game progress)
 
Thanks, Joachim, for giving it a go. It was worth a try to see if it was PBW.

Best thing to do now is continue the game.

Slynky July 24th, 2004 05:56 AM

Re: The Grudge-Match of Doom - (trashtalk/game progress)
 
Turn done. Trade accepted (again)...crossing fingers.

Primitive, I guess you took a turn to clean your windshield from our Last encounter...without the orgs included from Mark's failed trade, I'm afraid I only have enough stuff available to smear the glass on your ships once again.

primitive July 29th, 2004 10:18 PM

Re: The Grudge-Match of Doom - (trashtalk/game progress)
 
Word of the day: sandbagged, sandbagging, sandbags

* To downplay or misrepresent one's ability in a game or activity in order to deceive (someone), especially in gambling: sandbagged the pool player by playing poorly in the first game when stakes were low.

Looks like the old geezer wasn't totally toothless after all http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Slynky July 29th, 2004 11:45 PM

Re: The Grudge-Match of Doom - (trashtalk/game progress)
 
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Originally posted by primitive:
Word of the day: sandbagged, sandbagging, sandbags

* To downplay or misrepresent one's ability in a game or activity in order to deceive (someone), especially in gambling: sandbagged the pool player by playing poorly in the first game when stakes were low.

Looks like the old geezer wasn't totally toothless after all http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Well, it was barely able to eek out a victory. You attacked the place with the most ships (except for over near Jethanis) so that was lucky for me.

Oh, and the master of "sandbagging"...may I present Alneyan ( http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif )?

Slynky July 30th, 2004 03:41 AM

Re: The Grudge-Match of Doom - (trashtalk/game progress)
 
Speaking of sandbagging, I'll consider you dangerous at any point of the game, Primitive! You're too smart to ever daly with.

Meanwhile, on the eastern side of the war, Mark is wiping Alneyan colonies and Alneyan is wiping Mark colonies. And both are embroiled in a battle of names (LOL).

Well, let's let them have fun. They are both reckless people endangering our game of safe play. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Ya know, Big Boy (said with my "limp wrist" http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif ), if I had some planets to work with in the beginning, you'd be trying to bluff your way into Jethanis...and forget those other places you managed to settle...there were no gas planets for me to take!

As soon as we get Replicant centers, we can start on some more weapons to take ground with. Give us 15 more turns (please) and lets see how pop growth can help our production out. (OK, it's not polite to beg, is it?)

BTW, I'll be capturing some breathers from you, if I predict correctly, in 4 turns. Just a fair warning for a foe I admire.

primitive July 30th, 2004 08:37 AM

Re: The Grudge-Match of Doom - (trashtalk/game progress)
 
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Originally posted by Slynky:
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BTW, I'll be capturing some breathers from you, if I predict correctly, in 4 turns. Just a fair warning for a foe I admire.

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">It will happen sooner or later anyway. Be carefull so you don't accidentally glass the planets instead of capturing them. I have had a bit of time to put up defences you know http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif


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