OT POLL: Do Nice Guys Finish Last??
 

Well, the subject pretty much says it all...do nice guys finish Last when it comes to love, life, and...well...the rest of stuff??

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Nice guy as in rollover and beg
Or nice guy as in a bit of a bastard if you dont get yorue way but nice to women
Or nice guy im gay and im nice to women cause i wanna shop and gossip with em ?

I know nice guys lose in SE4 unless they make peace the winning option.

In SE4 always have at least 1 war going.

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Four Rules Of Survival

1. Trust No One
2. Cover thy own ***
3. Get it writing
4. Follow the rules and SOP's

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In all seriousness nice guys finish first. It may seem from time to time that I lose or get screwed or ...some other negative outcome. I say:

"What goes around comes arround"
You go through life being a jerk it will come back to you 3 fold. Go through life being a nice guy and you will enjoy your life 3 fold.

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Q1: What women want.. Men that are good on the outside and bad on the inside. So if you're nice on both sides you loose.

Q2: Nice at work.. The nice guys at work will be mashed like ripe potatos, taken advantage of and never climb the corporate ladder. You need greed to succeed in business and without it (Being Nice) you're destined to fail. (or stay at your current level forever)

Q3: Everywhere else.. There was a time when being 'nice' was normal, now it's such a rare phenomenon that it's newsworthy. Society is not 'nice' and 'nice' is slowly being removed from life as we know it. If everyone was 'nice' you could leave your car unlocked and still find it where you left it. (providing it didn't get towed')

With that said, I'm 'nice' and proud of it. What a strange poll.

Cheers! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

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I'm with Gryphin on this one.

When I was growing up, I saw lots of girls I found attractive and interesting who seemed only to have eyes for guys that treated them like dirt (or substitute another 4-letter word). I never understood it especially when they could have been with ME http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif .

My wife was married 3 times before me. Two were "bad boys" and the 3rd a bible-thumper (she just knew someone she met at church would be the right guy http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/rolleyes.gif ). No marriage Lasted more than 4 years and, averaging, they Lasted about 2 and a half. We've been together for 8 years. Though 15 years younger, she is now mature enough to realize being treated nicely leads to much more happiness than what she settled for in the past. Oh, don't get me wrong, we still dabble in some "bad" excitement http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif but I don't treat her like dirt.

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Another comment:

I'm not rich (though, I suspect, some people struggling to make a living might disagree after seeing our house and lifestyle). I'd say I'm well off. So, as to the question about nice guys finishing Last in the workplace (where the money is made), I'll say there are those who are much more ambitious than I am and who are willing to step on people to climb that "ladder". But I like to sleep well at night. And more money in exchange for that sleep just isn't worth it to me.

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Well, I think it is safe to say that nice guys generally finish Last in SEIV and politics in general. I am almost exclusively a cooperative/non-zero-sum type of player, building alliances, gifting tech freely, helping others out in SEIV...and I don't think I've won a PBW game yet...my fault, of course. I also suck at ship design and micro-managing, which doesn't help.

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In response to David E. Gervais's comment:
I'd like to say that I DO leave my cars unlocked, and no one takes them, so HAH to you! Then again, most of them don't work anyway, but the big reason is I live in a little town where no one locks anything (except school lockers).

Anyway, to the point. As a "nice guy" I can safely say that in SEIV, it will get you beaten around pretty badly by someone more cruel

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I hear ya, "Deccan" (smile). 1 x 1 games are OK because everyone (both people) have agreed at the beginning to be enemies. But in a multi-game, I find it hard to choose an enemy when it needs to be done for expansion's sake. I usually look to who has treated me the worst. In your case, as you know, we settled out pretty well. So, I think we are similar in this regard http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif .

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">There is some truth in this. While I understand that "backstabbing" is part of the game, I prefer to be known as a person who would never do that. So, when people are looking to me to consider me for an alliance (or a treaty of some sort), I know they are thinking 2 things: (1) I can absolutely trust him and (2) He'll be so trusting that I can screw him over later. It's a double-edged sword I live with. I hope that people will give more consideration to trying to win the game with point #1 in mind than in point #2. But for those who give more weight to point #2...well, that's fine. I would rather finish 1 game out of 5 in first place by being the "honest/nice" guy than winning 4 out of 5 by backstabbing. As I said below...I like to sleep at night and my gaming conscience won't let me otherwise.

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yea but they are high school girls or club girls...

You do not marry a bad guy unless you like being married to an ***.

Long term relationships need a good level of the niceness...


Ps. what do you define nice as


As for work... Everyone at my work is nice... Mind you we do not want to go up the corperate ladder into management... Now there are some nice people who care about their work and help out and take responsiblity for when stuff goes wrong... I return the favour ... To me that is nice at work.

And in life... Hell yea...

p.s. in seiv i try to play to the race i am playing.... So some are nice some are not...

And I have won 1 game without being in a single fight with any race....

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Yeah, that's my reasoning too, almost exactly. Now, that's not to say that it doesn't sometimes lead to uncomfortable situations. I *HATE* to attack anybody preemptively, but I also can't envision myself ever not supporting an ally. So, when my allies insist that we go to war against a power whom I have no specific beef with, it puts me in a real bind. In a recent case, I was faced with three allies who made a very strong case for going to war against a Talisman weilding power that eventually probably was going to be a big threat...so, I tried very hard to get a viable casus belli to justify my war on grounds other than "self-interest" - of course, self-preservation is a good enough reason, but to strike someone pre-emptively for that reason is a problematic bit of logic. Perhaps I took too many "ethics in international relations" courses at school...in any case, I would much rather do the "right thing" rather than the "selfish" thing...and it has indeed meant that I generally lose out to other with a more cutthroat approach...Oh well. Better to be known as someone who will go down fighting for an ally, even to the end, than someone who might betray an ally for advantage...

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">There is some truth in this. While I understand that "backstabbing" is part of the game, I prefer to be known as a person who would never do that. So, when people are looking to me to consider me for an alliance (or a treaty of some sort), I know they are thinking 2 things: (1) I can absolutely trust him and (2) He'll be so trusting that I can screw him over later. It's a double-edged sword I live with. I hope that people will give more consideration to trying to win the game with point #1 in mind than in point #2. But for those who give more weight to point #2...well, that's fine. I would rather finish 1 game out of 5 in first place by being the "honest/nice" guy than winning 4 out of 5 by backstabbing. As I said below...I like to sleep at night and my gaming conscience won't let me otherwise. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">LOL, no one is perfect. I make mistakes at work (sometimes). The boss knows that. But, instead of taking the usual "try to make up an excuse" road, when I screw up, I say so. I've told the boss more than once when he asked how something happened that, "I forgot about it" or "It's my fault". Been working for him for over 10 years. I still remember the first time he heard me say that (LOL)...the look on his face as he expected a bunch of bull**** excuses. Now, I think, he can depend on me when I give a real excuse...and know it isn't just crap. 'Cause he knows I'll level with him if it was my fault. Though it may not be the greatest way to conduct one's career, I think he appreciates knowing he can depend on the truth.

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According to my pessimistic observations: nice guys die first http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif And where are too many long living and prospering bastards around. Cruel statistics of RL http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon8.gif

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alarikf said, "Oh well. Better to be known as someone who will go down fighting for an ally, even to the end, than someone who might betray an ally for advantage..."

Well said http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon6.gif

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">By "nice" I mean someone who isn't a lying, cheating, a**hole bastard. Or maybe even someone who just treats other people well, but isn't a total wimp. I sure as hell don't mean your "nice guy who's gay" option http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif Probably closer to your second choice.

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* Is listening to Weird Al's Version of 'Dog Eat Dog'. The guy in that song is going to have a heart attack. Or go mental.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Haha you got me Gryphin. Total cynicism. Being the nice guy really doesn't work for me at all. Then again, I'm only 17 years old http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif . So my experience is kind of limited. But I can't help being the "nice guy". Its who I am, and I won't change who I am.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I would agree with you here once again, and this gives me hope. Just kinda sucks sometimes http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Exactly. This is why I'm so cynical about being the "nice guy". When it comes to love, it gets you nowhere. It seems we have plenty of nice guys here, but no women to tell us what they think!! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Haha you got me Gryphin. Total cynicism. Being the nice guy really doesn't work for me at all. Then again, I'm only 17 years old http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif . So my experience is kind of limited. But I can't help being the "nice guy". Its who I am, and I won't change who I am. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Don't worry about it http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif I'm 17 and i seem way too occupied with helping people out than i should be. In most peoples opinion I'd admit I probably full under "Doormat Nice" http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif But as everyone's said eventually you get rewarded.

Of course if you don't you can start being rather evil and scheming in your spare time and No-one will suspect you http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

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I'm a nice guy and I have never had any problems succeeding in life, so far. Granted being 19 and young compared to alot of the members here does not say much for me but my boss knows he can trust me and rely on me to accomplish a task without taking a dirty route to get it done.

In SEIV I will play both nice and mean guy depending on the game, can never become too bland and predictable so you have to spice it up sometimes. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Women...ugh...they are so confusing sometimes... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/rolleyes.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon6.gif

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[edit: not directed at anyone in particular!]
If you're a nice guy, why do you want to date a woman who is attracted to jerks? Maybe just because she's HOT? Maybe you're not so nice after all, huh? Just not successful at playing the jerk role, so you try playing the nice role?
My advice to you genuinely nice young guys is:
1) Don't bother dating in high school. It's a waste of your time and money. You're too immature for a relationship worth having (and even if you are not, the girls are).
2) Bide your time. Nice guys usually get even more than they deserve. Jerks eventually get their come-uppance (and we often get to watch).
3) The grass is NOT greener over the fence. Learn to be content. Unattached guys should take the opportunity to do stuff that attached guys can't do easily, like move around, work your head off, take risks, switch careers, etc.

[ July 12, 2004, 18:59: Message edited by: dmm ]

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Women love to be treated like dirt by guys who have no value system. I see it every day and have seen my entire life.

In a recent poll women said that they are drawn to a man for his humor...... yaaa riiiiiiiighhht.

In every situation that I can even begin to point to, the women fell for the nut job they are with because he had a bad boy image.

I can sight example after example on this. Women love to be treated poorly by beef cake loosers.

If given a choice between one of us, and a beef cake looser, the beef cake will always win even though we all know how well we would treat her.

Women are drawn to brawn more than brain... They are animals after all, and can sense our kindness thus our weakness.

No kidding, I go video tape a wedding and now I am involved with a women that wants far more than I am able to give, given my present RL situation, and this scares me because this does not follow the norm. HOWEVER, now that I have gone to many parties and other with her, other women, the kind that would have nothing to do with me otherwise, are begining to show me a lot of interest. WTF is up with that?

I simply do not understand women. Or is it that I do understand women, I just don't comprehend there many facitted and unique ways of doing things?

Needless to say I am running scared at the moment not knowing what in the hell to do. On one hand I like having someone like her to talk to, on the other, I am alarmed at why she is so interested in me knowning my RL situation. *Perhaps she is over desprate and I am the first thing to enter her possible husband radar in years. That alone should be making me run and duck for cover yet I still call her....... I am so confused... Women have a tendacy to do that to us.

Long story short, I played a nice guy to get the job done, and she must have thought I was honestly a nice guy or something. Given her taste in men, I would chalk her up to the desprate, "must take any man I can get" kind. That means this whole thin will end poorly for me.

Nice guys do finish Last and so it has been written. The 11th command from God himself, you know the five laws on the third tablet that was accidently dropped. 11. Man shall know that nice guys shall always finish Last in everything. 12. What can go wrong, Shall go wrong. 13. Thow shall not trust no man or no women. 14. Thow shall always get promises and agreements in writting. 15. Thot shall always pack heat.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Hear Hear!!! Much Agreeing on my part! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

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Ok, guys, come on, all this talk about how "girls always like the bad guys" ...let's think about all this as an analogy...

How many times have you wanted to "go out" or "sleep with" a REALLY hot woman? All the time right? Well, given my "vast" years of experience, the REALLY hot ones are also usually the one's who are NOT GOOD for you. They've got some manner of wacko-ness that is likely derived from they're being REALLY hot. Our society does that to them.

That is the analog to the men's side of things. We, as men, generally want to go out with the HOT ones because we find them hot. But by the very virtue of they're being HOT they are also BAD for us.

So, for women, the situation is the same: they want to go out with the "HOT" ones - defined in this case as the James Dean/Marlon BRando/"Dangerous" ones (because that's what our society defines male "hotness" as) but they are also the exact same one's who are bad for them.

It also is related to the idea that if one is "hot" (of either gender) they feel that they can get away with a lot more in life - which is exactly the selfish sort of behaviour that makes them bad in relationships.

Eventually, one stops desiring the "hot" ones and goes for the "sane/better" ones.

(Frankly, I think I got very lucky with the best of both worlds: my wife never thought she was hot but she is - so, she doesn't act like she is although she is...did that make sense)

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So what your saying is, go for the fat ones? Problem, the Fat women also just want really tall skiny, well packaged bad boys as well.

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif Well secretly they do..... But even as fat guys we all know that having a fat girl friend is ok, so long as she is not her own postal code. That being said, and as I am discovering for the first time, fat women are not all that attractive physically, but they do seem to be awful over needy.

God help me for I am just not up to climbing this moutain. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif

[ July 12, 2004, 19:53: Message edited by: Atrocities ]

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youth is wasted on the young... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Alarifk you get to an age when you realise that all women are nice looking to someone.

You just have to figure out what ones you are attracted to.

I have always been atracted to women who have the same love of music that I have. And not the same type of music. I like hearing new music.

Then I take it from there... It did not work out the first few times ( well quite a few ) and then it did http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

P.S. don't get too down on meeting people , being with a few , being rejected by a few, having ones heart broken by a few, breaking a few hearts.

Better to learn what you like and what people like in you as you grow up and learn from your mistakes , and accomplisments. You will find out along the way that you will have some good memories and some bad ones. But you will have gained experence. And lived and met a whole wack of people along the way. Which makes it worth it in my opinion.

So enjoy.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">This reminds me. Good Judgement only comes from Expirience and Expirience only comes from Bad Judgement http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

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Why do most women hate Sci-Fi? The lady I am so so dating now always resonds with alarm when she finds out I like Sci-Fi and that really PMO! (Pi**es Me Off)

All because she had some jerk arse boy friend who like Sci-Fi and treated her poorly does not give her the right to think I am a jerk arse because I like Sci-Fi. I mean what the hell! "If you love me you will never play that stupid game or talk to those werdo's on line again." - Ex-girlfriend comment.

Every single women I have ever dated from HS on up has hated Sci-Fi with a passion. Could it be that women who hate men who like Sci-Fi possess a sixth sense that tells them that we have the love sci-fi gene or something?

IS loving Sci-Fi a weakness? I think they feel it is. WTF is up with that. 8 of the top ten all time grossing movies are sci-fi based. So obviously there are a lot more closet sci-fi fans than we know. But honestly people look down on people who like sci-fi. Hell I am THE ONLY person in my entire family that likes sci-fi and the rest of them look at me as if I am weird. WTF is up with that? Hell my own mother read my story (Once Upon The Stars) and told me that I should keep my day job...... THIS REALLY F***ING SUCKS!

So ya, women do NOT like Sci-Fi for the most part. Although there are many who do, the norm is that 80% or so do not.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Haha you got me Gryphin. Total cynicism. Being the nice guy really doesn't work for me at all. Then again, I'm only 17 years old http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif . So my experience is kind of limited. But I can't help being the "nice guy". Its who I am, and I won't change who I am. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Truth is it does work for you. Think about it. You go home at night and feel good about yourself. You know you did not personaly contribute to making the world a worse place to live.

And think a little more. I knew somehow you were a nice guy and look where that got you. Keep in mind that I have a strong strong aVersion to teenagers, for me to somehow feel / know about you....

Pagans have a strong belief in "The Rule of Three". Anything, (good or bad) that you do will come back to you three fold.

"What goes around , comes around"

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Pooh Star loves Sci Fi. It was one of the things listed in her profile at the Online dating service we met through.

X wife liked it also

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Funny...

Wife and I watched the 3 "Terminators" 3 weekends ago in a small Saturday marathon. Then Last weekend, we did the 4 "Alien" movies on Sat and Sun. Watched "Equilibrium" (sp?) yesterday. We're both "Firefly" nuts (own that seires, too). I could go on but you get the picture.

PS: And I spend a lot of time with her watching Lifetime movies and we own about 10 Hallmark movies (not ashamed to admit).

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Some more "youthful" input http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

With women, I said Last. Because I've seen it so often, that just seems to be the case. alarikf is right though, IMHO... the school I go to (USC) tends to have a lot of the more well-off, "beautiful people", and I've gotten to know several after two years there. Unfailingly, all of them have had some sort of wildly unattractive neurotic behaviour or are extremely depressed. They can hold up the image of being a "normal", "sane" person for at most two minutes in anything going beyond superficial conversation. I know most people here also have a slightly sarcastic outlook on what exactly normal and sane are, but I think we all agree that self-destructive, malicious, sadistic, etc. behaviours are not "normal" or "sane".

However, my view on it at this point is I don't have time for that bulls#!t. I'm too busy worrying about handling my (overloaded) academic schedule, working, figuring out what I'm doing with my life, expanding my computer skillsets... while still sleeping enough, exercising enough, and eating right. Throw a relationship into that, and in 99% of cases I've seen, a few to several of those priorities vanish completely.

In the workplace, nobody likes the jerk, and the jerk will eventually get fired. On the way up "The Ladder", it pays to be the nice guy, since by showing a willingness to work with others, others will be more willing to help you out, and will feel better at looking to you for guidence (which is a big factor in determining who is management material).

Everything else... it really depends. It's not the same as in the workplace, because it's more difficult to remove the jerks. They have to commit a crime, be convicted, and put in jail for them to be "removed". We won't discuss the more vigilante way to "remove" them, but you can get some ideas from AT's "I just caught some punk" thread http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Pagans? Don't you mean Wiccans? Pagan applies to all non-christian religeons. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif
<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Go to a lot of sci-fi movies, marry a women that comes in costume.

[ July 12, 2004, 23:06: Message edited by: narf poit chez BOOM ]

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I realize your post was partly tongue in cheek cynicism and we are talking “in general”.

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">This is more a matter of definition . If you don’t want to climb the corporate ladder then you can easily be the nicest guy around and be very successful, (like I am). The important part to my success is getting into a line of work you love and keep your lifestyle fairly simple. That will generate the highest level of “Finishing First” at the end of the day.

[ July 12, 2004, 12:25: Message edited by: Gryphin ]

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Interesting that the level of cynicism is (so far, with 9 votes) much deeper re: the opposite sex, than for work and life in general. I shall have to run these results by some trusted sources in the "enemy" camp and see what they think... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

[ July 12, 2004, 12:39: Message edited by: General Woundwort ]

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I personly feel women are excited by "bad boys", but truly want "good boys" for a long term relationship. You might see younger women go for the exciting types but most of them have a realist expectations and no intention of statying with them.

If you watch "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" Spike turns her on big time but she loves Angel. Yes this is a TV example but I have seen it in real life. Women "talk" about the bad boys like they wish they could "have" them but when pushed they admit they want a "nice guy" they can trust.

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Why don't women like action movies? They don't seem to enjoy "combat" type movies that have stuff like kung fu fight scenes, sword battles and so on.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">It is possible that at one time it had another more general meaning.

If you prefer, Neo Pagan are basicaly very similar to Wiccan except (in far to simple terms), less structured.

They follow the wheel of the year, the seasons and the cycle of life.

Pooh Star is a Wiccan High Priestess

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Because women are nurturers. Violence is unpleasant to them. That is a broad genearlisation. There are lots of exceptions. Pooh Star likes the Conan and Mel Gibson movies. Some women choose movies based on the actors. The ones that push thier butttons. Pooh Star liked Bab 5 for the show but also she had the hots for one of the actresses. She will watch anything with Keano Reeves, (Matrix) but not Matt Daemon.

Does that help?

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">It is possible that at one time it had another more general meaning.

If you prefer, Neo Pagan are basicaly very similar to Wiccan except (in far to simple terms), less structured.

They follow the wheel of the year, the seasons and the cycle of life.

Pooh Star is a Wiccan High Priestess </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">As far as I can tell, Neo-Pagan covers any type of behavor which may possibly have pre-dated Catholicism. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

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will you should watch that movie pumpkin... classic.... P.S. I think the woman would love your hair... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

AT.... Reading you post.... Hell that scares me.... And hiding behind all that post is a sci-fi lover.... OUCH...

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I'm not sure what your sourses are. The Neo Pagans I have met would nod, understand why you think that, and try to explain that *in general* Paganism is an earth based spiritualty and that Pagans follow the The wheel of the year, the cycle of life and the seasons and that each group has thier own interpretations and beliefs.
They would dissagree with such a sweeping generalazation.
But I am sure that different areas have different deffintions of Pagan. I love variety

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Uh...I was just being sarcastic....I've been around the block more than my share of times...not that young anymore...got at least 35 years under my belt...not that I'm counting...

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Hmm...thanks for the idea...Muahahahaha!

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I realize this was a general post, but I'll reply as though it were directed at me, just for the fun of it http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

I don't want to date a woman who's attracted to jerks. There are however, lots of girls/women who ARE hot, but AREN'T attracted to jerks. The best of both worlds http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif I agree that dating in school is generally useless, and I mostly agree with the rest of what you say.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I must agree with you once again. I do sleep well usually, and I don't feel guilty about what I've done that day (usually). Lol I usually have a strong aVersion to most teenagers as well...and I am one! Simply put, most are not the most wise people in the world. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif And thank you once again. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Very true Will, very true. In the very few relationships I've been in (all within the Last year BTW), I've seen my grades slip significantly. I don't think its a coincidence that the relationship coincided with the drop in grades http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif Priorities do change, and not always for the better. However, I still ask myself; if that one girl/woman wanted to have a relationship with me, would I reject her?? The answer is an unconditional NO. Even though it may be bad academically, I would value a relationship more than I would my academic performance.