So why do I try?
 

So why do I try to use communion?

Why?

You have can as many casters scripted for releif as you want. After 5 turns have passed those shaman are going to do their own thing. And then all of your communincants are going to die.

Is thyere any wonder that all of the "l33t" players think that the only spells worth casting are battle field spells?

Would it be so much to ask for a command which would be "CAST THIS SPELL NO MATTER WHAT FROM NOW ON?"

So sad.

Well communion is off my list for whatever game I play in the future.

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Oh and if anyone wants pythium in "newbies_unite" give me a ring on this message.

It's going computer in one day.

Also if you want Vanehiem in Fareun Folly give me a ring.

Both have the largest land masses of anyone on the map, if that counts for anything.

But both are somewhat weak in SC's. And as we all know SC's are the game.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Because it gives you an enormous boost in the amount of spells that can be cast and the power of these spells that is impossible to achieve in any other way.

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I take it that you didn't have enough communicants then. If you didn't have a bare minimum of 4 or 5 per master then you are going to lose them in any given battle. They are expendable anyways, so it's not as if you've suffered a major loss when they die.

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A 5 to 1 ratio would have died in the battle I just saw. A 10 to 1 ratio would probably have died. Perhaps a 20 to 1 ratio MAY have lived. AMAZING!

However if the mass of shaman had continued to cast releif they would have all survived without a scratch.

[ August 05, 2004, 06:54: Message edited by: Zen ]

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">You've provided absolutely no useful information about how many communion masters you had, what type they were, how many slaves you had, how long the battle Lasted, or anything else. I assumed that you didn't have enough communicants, since that's obviously the case if they aren't bringing the fatigue cost for a spell down to 1 per cast.

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Which would hardly be balanced now, would it. If you didn't take any risks when you used communion, then there would be no reason to play anything other than Pythium.

[ August 05, 2004, 06:55: Message edited by: Zen ]

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">If you really want a replacement could you post a new hread who says that clearly, or change the title of this one to something like "need a replacement"
It would make it clearer.
For the newbies_unite (who isn't really newbieish), please wait for a replacement it would seriously hurt the game if you go to AI
Skolem

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I'd agree with Skolem about the replacement.
Since you're the major power, and for what I've seen you're bashing your enemies.
Even with some loss.

I've tried Pyth in single player, and I've had the same problem ...

Simply Shaman isn't so good to cast relief after having casted Comm Master.
The AI seems to be scripted to cast any buff he can before anything else.
So a communioned Shaman get astral shield, astral weapon, protection/barskin, etc etc ... wasting a huge amount of turns in casting buffs only.

I believe however communion is wonderful, and allows you to cast spells that usually you can't.

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In the same vein of "why do I try" http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Why would my arch devil cast firestorm with less gems than I gave him for the purpose (he used 7 of the 10, after casting phoenix power... oh and he is wearing a flame helmet so the net result is F6).

Basically he cast it and knocked himself out, dumb blighter, when he could have used the rest fo the gems and come out of it with less than 100 fatigue. Grrr. Well obviously there is something I do not understand!

And then this souped up Golem tanked my 110 devils and killed another arch devil in hand to hand. Damn. And my arch devil had a hell sword, armour of souls, boots of quickness, rings of frost and tamed lightning and a flame helmet and yet he continually missed 75% of his strikes until the golem turned on him and killed him with two blows. Geez! Although i did shave him down to less than 20 HP, if my other archie hadnt knocked himself out casting firestorm I am sure I would have had him.

God this game can be frustrating when you can lose such a powerful force to a single Golem...

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Try a huge army of Avalon Knights routing because this stupid commander decided to rout after getting hit with an arrow >_<

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How was the golem equipped?

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">WAA?

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I can't quite make this add up, unless I assume that one of the gems was used to reduce the fatigue of casting Phoenix Power. But the key point is that a mage cannot use more gems than his effective level in the path concerned. So your AD had fire 6, but Firestorm itsef costs 5 gems. So he uses 6 gems to cast it, but only one gem gets used to raise his effective level to 7 - 2 levels above that needed to cast firestorm. That means that he's going to take 1/3 the listed fatigue, but Firestorm has a fatigue of 500, so thats 166 fatigue, not including the minor amounts from casting Phoenix Power, whatever the encumbrance of an AD is (I'm too lazy to look it up), whatever armor he might have been wearing, and two rounds of wearing a flame helmet, which has reinvigoration of -3. All things considered, you're lucky he didn't kill himself outright http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

If we get lucky, maybe one of the real formula mavens will have a look at this and explain where that other gem went (and point out any other errors I might have made).

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">He was wearing amon hotep and he had some other standard SC gear, blood thorn, lucky coin, etc.

He had 30 protection! So um... thats pretty good http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">And here I was thinking you could use a number of gems equal to the gem cost of the spell + your level in the required path.

Well if he could only have used 1 gem, well then, I guess that was a serious tactical error! Tiem to work on some F9 casters!!

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Keep in mind Golems are Lifeless so you don't benefit from Life Draining weapon ... indeed they do!!!

BUt they've awful att&def stats.

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What do you mean by WAA?

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i would guess that huzurdaddi (ironic nick) is projecting his own babyness (by losing a battle then saying "screw you guys, I'm going home") on others.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Sounded like a "Waaa, too bad!" to me. Huzurbaby doesn't seem to care if his quitting and picking up his toys and going home hurts the game. Maybe he should start a club with Cohen, have a Quitters Secret Treehouse. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

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You seem to feel that the game is "all about SC's", and you are talking about Vanheim? How are you playing Vanheim? They have very nice sneaking armies capability which can tear up the SC tactic. I would consider Vanheim to be the fix for SC's far more than having to rely on them.

Pythium on the other hand, I can see having a problem in a game with many SuperCombatants

-- Do not go quietly into the night
rage rage rage against the dying of the light
- Dylan Thomas
What does that mean?
It means dont be a putz and quit the multiplayer game before all of your candles are snuffed.

[ August 05, 2004, 18:59: Message edited by: Gandalf Parker ]

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Winners never quit, quitters never win.

Never give up, never surrender!

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I have a hard time feeling very sorry for people having trouble casting constant spells via communion. Especially if they are Pythium using communicants AND Shamen casting relief (even a few times)!

Many nations don't have the option to use communion at all.

Seems like a generally positive thing when there is difficulty doing super-powerful things without restriction or risk.

Of course, it's always a bit frustrating when one's master plan of evil doesn't work as hoped. On the other hand, it was probably pretty frustrating too for your opponent during all the communion-boosted castings that did work...

PvK

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">You've been watching too much Galaxy Quest ...

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Hey, Galaxy Quest was awesome. Naturally, the person who insisted I see it was preemptively punished in case it sucked.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Of course it is. But despite seeing it twice in the theatre, and many more times on my DVD, I don't go around using Tim Allen's signature line -- at least not without giving credit where credit is due.