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PDF February 21st, 2004 07:39 PM

Proof of stupid AI spellcasting
 
Here's a shot of a Deathmatch fight between an Inquisitor and a Golden Naga Pretender
Look at the Inq's spells cast... No comment ! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/rolleyes.gif
http://pascal.difolco.free.fr/Dom2_AI_Crap.jpg

Darryl February 21st, 2004 08:03 PM

Re: Proof of stupid AI spellcasting
 
I just saw this Last night. I went against Pythium with 2 Theurgs. One cast (let's call him "Joe") Communion Master and the other ("Fred") cast Communion Slave. Then the next Messages were "Fred casts communion master" and "Joe casts communion slave"! It was ok for me since they didn't actually USE the power they gained, but still....

Graeme Dice February 21st, 2004 08:16 PM

Re: Proof of stupid AI spellcasting
 
Quote:

Originally posted by PDF:
Here's a shot of a Deathmatch fight between an Inquisitor and a Golden Naga Pretender
Look at the Inq's spells cast... No comment !

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">It's not that stupid. That's a witch hunter from the picture. That means that it has fire 2 and astral 1. The only spell I can see it using to damage the Naga is star fires.

Arryn February 21st, 2004 08:20 PM

Re: Proof of stupid AI spellcasting
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Graeme Dice:
It's not that stupid.
<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">The stupid part is casting Slave and then Master, unless that combo actually works, which it isn't supposed to ...

aldin February 21st, 2004 08:45 PM

Re: Proof of stupid AI spellcasting
 
I see it mostly as a "look at the stupid, unwinnable fight my god got me into... mebbe if I act crazy she'll go away" http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/rolleyes.gif

Actually, I suspect the AI puts a high value on casting CS but includes itself when "looking" to see if there are any Slaves before casting CM. One "fix" might be to require a minimum of two available slaves before the AI is willing to cast CM.

~Aldin

[ February 21, 2004, 18:45: Message edited by: aldin ]

ioticus February 21st, 2004 09:37 PM

Re: Proof of stupid AI spellcasting
 
Is this with the latest patch? By the way, has anyone noticed an improvement in AI spellcasting with 1.08?

mivayan February 21st, 2004 10:02 PM

Re: Proof of stupid AI spellcasting
 
Did you have star fires researched? If the mage dont have any usefull spell to cast it does not really matter which useless spell it casts.

[ February 21, 2004, 20:09: Message edited by: mivayan ]

Taqwus February 21st, 2004 10:31 PM

Re: Proof of stupid AI spellcasting
 
Eh, cast Body Ethereal, Personal Luck, Astral Weapon and charge. The audience wants to see blood, not a mage sitting there trying to commune with himself. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

PDF February 22nd, 2004 12:35 AM

Re: Proof of stupid AI spellcasting
 
Some precisions :
This was a battle between AIs, in 2.08, and I just witnessed the match as Pythium without participating !
After the masterful CM+CS casts, the Marignon mage didn't even try Star Fire and was eaten by the Naga ... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif
Funniest was that in the end the Naga was killed by a Prophet Vanjarl who get it exhausted fighting Phantasmal Warriors ! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif This spell was a really good choice this time (at first I found it silly as the PW just delayed the Naga for one or two rounds ...)

[ February 21, 2004, 22:43: Message edited by: PDF ]

Wendigo February 22nd, 2004 05:40 PM

Re: Proof of stupid AI spellcasting
 
Then you should rename the thread PDF, because your example proves nothing.

This was a mistake of the strategic AI sending to the arena a mage that knew no combat spells (ie, had a little thau research, but no evo or alt research). Mages default to cast, if the mage just knows crap he will cast crap regardless of how good or bad the spell AI be.

Despite the nay-sayers, the spell AI is one of the best parts of the game. You want some proof? get the same mage, research evo1 & thau1 and send him to the arena...he will cast star fires instead of com master/slave. But you cannot plant melons & expect apples to grow.


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