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Reverend Zombie May 25th, 2004 12:21 AM

Deception
 
Tell us what you think about the following hypothetical:

Player A creates pseudonym B to join a game. In IRC chat, A solicits from B's opponents their strategies and plans, while never revealing that A, in fact, is B.

[ May 24, 2004, 23:24: Message edited by: Zen ]

Molog May 25th, 2004 12:30 AM

Re: Deception
 
Is this like that other post that got deleted?

Stormbinder May 25th, 2004 01:47 AM

Re: Deception
 
This is obviously loaded poll Reverand. Option 1 and 2 deals with person A. Option 3 implicitly deals with person B, not A. You have bundled it together, while they are clearly separate issues.


Let me give you example. Suppose somebody went to the night park alone and without weapon, and got mugged and suffered life-threating insuries as the result.


Should that person know better? Perhaps. Does it mean that his assaulter was right in his actions? Of course not.


It is not exactly the same case here, but I think you see my point. Question of whether it was "(un)effective" or not have nothing to do question is it was "reprehensible" or not, since they can very well be both at the same time. Therefore as it is your test is not very meningfull or objective.

(heh, thanks to your and other people critic of my own polls, I am now much more aware of such matters http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif )


If you want to make it rigth it you should separate questions related to person A and questions related to person B, not to slap them together. Otherwise it doesn't make much sense.

[ May 25, 2004, 00:58: Message edited by: Stormbinder ]

Cainehill May 25th, 2004 01:49 AM

Re: Deception
 
Yeah, and he should have had a choice, "It's not the deception, it's the whining that bothers me." http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

And given that the votes add up to more than 100%, I'd say that multiple choices were possible. More whining.

[ May 25, 2004, 00:51: Message edited by: Cainehill ]

Reverend Zombie May 25th, 2004 01:56 AM

Re: Deception
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Cainehill:

And given that the votes add up to more than 100%, I'd say that multiple choices were possible. More whining.

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Cainehill is correct--all choices are possible, you can select that you think the behavior is both reprehensible AND no big deal, and at the same time ineffective.

Reverend Zombie May 25th, 2004 01:57 AM

Re: Deception
 
Double post.

[ May 25, 2004, 00:57: Message edited by: Reverend Zombie ]

Stormbinder May 25th, 2004 02:04 AM

Re: Deception
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Cainehill:
Yeah, and he should have had a choice, "It's not the deception, it's the whining that bothers me."

More whining.

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Heh, the only one who is whining constantly is you Cainehill. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif You keep whining about whining. Not sure why you are so obssesed with it though. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif


To Reverand - aye, you are right about possibility of having multiply answers, my mistake. Not sure if it is obious to the pollers though, that's why I would still separate unrealted questions if I would be me. But it's your choice. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

[ May 25, 2004, 01:06: Message edited by: Stormbinder ]

Zapmeister May 25th, 2004 02:17 AM

Re: Deception
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Stormbinder:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Originally posted by Cainehill:
Yeah, and he should have had a choice, "It's not the deception, it's the whining that bothers me."

More whining.

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Heh, the only one who is whining constantly is you Cainehill. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif You keep whining about whining. Not sure why you are so obssesed with it though. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I've just had an interesting thought. This pejorative term (whining) is also a favourite of Norfleet's. And I don't believe I've ever seen anyone else use it in this forum. And Cainehill is a staunch apologist for Norfleet's recent behaviour and style of gameplay.

Anyone else see where I'm going with this... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

[ May 25, 2004, 01:18: Message edited by: Zapmeister ]

Norfleet May 25th, 2004 02:57 AM

Re: Deception
 
Of course. As I've mentioned before on the chat I am Cainehill's father. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

CAINEHILL! I AM YOUR FATHER!

[ May 25, 2004, 01:57: Message edited by: Norfleet ]

Stormbinder May 25th, 2004 03:01 AM

Re: Deception
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Zapmeister:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Originally posted by Stormbinder:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Originally posted by Cainehill:
Yeah, and he should have had a choice, "It's not the deception, it's the whining that bothers me."

More whining.

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Heh, the only one who is whining constantly is you Cainehill. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif You keep whining about whining. Not sure why you are so obssesed with it though. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I've just had an interesting thought. This pejorative term (whining) is also a favourite of Norfleet's. And I don't believe I've ever seen anyone else use it in this forum. And Cainehill is a staunch apologist for Norfleet's recent behaviour and style of gameplay.

Anyone else see where I'm going with this... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

[ May 25, 2004, 02:04: Message edited by: Stormbinder ]


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