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PsiSoldier March 1st, 2009 02:26 PM

Ethereal + 100% FR vs. Flaming weapon bless
 
Ok if a Flaming weapons bless counts as a Magic weapon but only the Fire damage portion of the attack counts as magic then if a unit was Ethereal And also had 100% Fire resist would the Flaming weapons actually hit the unit all the time or would the Ethereal portion work so that he was only hit 25% of the time since the FR would presumably counter the Flaming weapons???

ano March 1st, 2009 06:05 PM

Re: Ethereal + 100% FR vs. Flaming weapon bless
 
I'm pretty sure second part is correct. Only fire damage is magic, bless doesn't actually make initial weapon damage type magic.

llamabeast March 1st, 2009 06:36 PM

Re: Ethereal + 100% FR vs. Flaming weapon bless
 
Oh, I would have said the opposite. Needs a test I guess!

chrispedersen March 1st, 2009 09:20 PM

Re: Ethereal + 100% FR vs. Flaming weapon bless
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by llamabeast (Post 677639)
Oh, I would have said the opposite. Needs a test I guess!


I would guess with you llama - when the unit is blessed, it says magic weapons.

Additionally, jag warriors tear through ethereal faster than I think can be explained merely by only the fire portion being magical.

Baalz March 1st, 2009 10:26 PM

Re: Ethereal + 100% FR vs. Flaming weapon bless
 
Easy to test conclusively, does it pop mistform under the same conditions?

ano March 2nd, 2009 08:39 PM

Re: Ethereal + 100% FR vs. Flaming weapon bless
 
When I once played (and in the end won) as Mictlan with W9D9 and was facing a high-defense\MR Vampire Queen under mistform, my jags never managed to dispel it while they could hit that 1HP from time to time. I understood it so that as she resisted that 2 AN+MR damage, their weapon stopped being magic.

archaeolept March 2nd, 2009 08:58 PM

Re: Ethereal + 100% FR vs. Flaming weapon bless
 
yes, ano is correct, I believe.

so 100% FR will negate the magicality of the weapon, and ethereality will operate. However, chrisp's observation is also the case, IME, ie. that w/ operative flaming weapons the regular attack also is fully effective against ethereal targets.

I wouldn't think that 75% FR would stop the regular attack being efficacious against ethereality, but I am not sure.

cleveland March 2nd, 2009 11:18 PM

Re: Ethereal + 100% FR vs. Flaming weapon bless
 
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Flaming Weapons only add the Fire secondary effect. It does NOT make the base weapon magic.

Test results of F10 blessed jaguar warriors against fog-warriored Abyssian infantry.

Attachment 7849

Note that this is fundamentally different than Flaming Arrows. Flaming missiles are magic AND have the Fire secondary effect.

Cheers,
cleveland

Jazzepi March 3rd, 2009 04:30 PM

Re: Ethereal + 100% FR vs. Flaming weapon bless
 
Cleveland, you are too pro.

Can I be like you?

Jazzepi

DonCorazon March 3rd, 2009 09:23 PM

Re: Ethereal + 100% FR vs. Flaming weapon bless
 
Evidence based medicine. Thanks Cleve!


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