[Pax]

Originally posted by DavidG:
No you lost. You may have had fun but you lost. It's going to be pretty hard to have a relevant discussion if you are going to make up your own definitions for words.

I refute that. Again, define "win" -- for you, seemingly, it must mean "make everyone else lose".

I don't play like that, and don't generaly enjoy playing with people who DO.

To me, someone wins if they get out of a game, exactly what they WANTED to get out of it. I don't have to be declared the victor by the game code, to enjoy myself.

And enjoying myself is my ONLY goal. So, if I have a good time playing, I win ... no matter the final scores.

That may not be winning for you, but that's the beauty of the way I see it: everyone chooses their own goals, their own "victory conditions" ... and it's entirely possible for everyone to "win" in terms of achieving their goals.