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pdoktar said:
In what war did you fire your two subguns? Considering they are the same Thompsons. I concur with you that a 2.36in bazooka should not be able nominally penetrate Tigers front armor. However many of us have military experience also and have fired enough different military weapons to be able to see that this game has point in it´s HE kill, accuracy, pen and range ratings. Submachine guns are able in real life to somewhat effectively fire for 150meters. However of course their power is truly appreciated below 100meter distances. I myself have fired the 9x19 Suomi SMG and it was much easier to control with short bursts than a 7,62x39 assault rifle when firing even shorter bursts.
Stop BOASTING with YOUR EXPERIENCE and start arguing then you´ll get your commments taken more seriously.
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M1928A1 Thompson in Viet Nam. M1A1 at a gun range. And they are NOT identical. The 1928A1 has a much higher cyclic rate. I have no idea what "somewhat effectively" means. A subgun has crude sights at best. The Lyman sights that used to come on the 1928A1 were a bit of a joke. Expensive, delicate sights that were rarely if ever used in combat.
Achieveing multiple hits ona target with a sungun at 150 meters would be nothing short of spectacular. And multiple hits on a target are what a subgun NEEDS to be effective.
9MM and .45ACP FMJ rounds are not known for being outstanding manstoppers. The .45ACP is better, but only because of the larger hole it makes. I wasn't boasting my experience...it's a fact. And I put more stock in personal experience than numerical theories based on varying information from books. I do agree with Chuck that the Ian Hogg books are the most informative and useful. I wish folks who created this game consulted with some live survivors or at the least read some WW2 history books about weapon's abilities and intended uses before they plugged in the numbers that are in there right now. I hope SOMEBODY has reworked the OOB weapons files and the file is available for others to use. If not, I'll just keep changing the numbers until they eventually are more accurate and representative on real world numbers.
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