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					Originally Posted by Frozen Lama  K- just go and try a F9W9 bless rush. on turn 3, it is entirely possible to take 2 provs with jags. on turn 4, you can take 3, unless you happen to have a capital with only 2 neighbors. you don't circle you cap first of course. if you have 4 neighbor provs, turn 5 your taking 4 provs. just go try it. its insane to think a bless rush nation won't take 2 provs a turn until turn 7 |  Connections isn't sufficient.  I mean, unless jags are far more awesome than i think they are, a bloodhenge druid province will stop you cold.  As will any number of other nasty independents.  So if you see nothing but tribal warriors and militia/archer/infantry combinations, sure, i believe you.  And while K might underestimate the speed a little, i think you vastly overestimate based on the assumption 1 turns production of jaguars can take *any* indie province. |  Squirrel, both you and K are *very* wrong. 
jags laugh at cavs, cat, elephants.
 
Its the *slingers* you worry about not the elephants.  slingers and archers have a tendency to kill your blessing cleric about one time in three.
 
I'm not *assuming* anything - the last 4 games I have played as mictlan the low was 38 territories by the end of year 2. | 
	
 But were we talking specifically about Mictlan?  They aren't the only Bless nation here, and they play a lot differently from Neifleheim or Lanka or one of the Vans (to name a few of the nations who can field a viable Bless Rush).
And how many provinces in this map? How many players?