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Default Re: Czech OOB 5.5

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114 Mi-4 - standard armament of military Mi-4 was 12.7mm TKB-481 (aka A-12,7) MG (I suggest to arm it with #226 MG, renamed to "12.7mm TKB MG" - according to further suggestions, Mi-4 will be the only unit to use weapon #226). Used from 6/56 (now: 1/56, it would need formations' change as the earliest unit) (http://www.vrtulnik.cz/mi-4.htm).

115 Mi-4C - according to a Polish article and Czech page http://www.vrtulnik.cz/mi-4.htm , it was Czech modification named actually Mi-4B. It was armed with 64 (4x16) S-5K rockets, so it needs double number of rockets or upgrade to 4x57mm S-5K (eg. weapon #185 from Russian oob). (Seems from this page however, that the mounting wasn't much successful, and it isn't sure if armament was actually used). It also should be armed with a standard 12.7 MG (as above). According to a photo on that page, also 16 x 130 mm rockets were tested or used later (not Soviet S-13, but own design), but there is no closer info.

BTW: IMO more proportional value for 4x57mm S-5K would be kill=11 (now 2x57mm has kill 8, 4x57mm - 10 and 8x57mm - 15).

116 BRDM-2b - ordinary BRDM-2 wasn't actually used in CS - see unit #53

117 Mi-171Sh - better name is Mi-171S (Czech letter S with "v"). Used from 7/05 (http://www.vrtulnik.cz/mil2/mi-171s.htm ). Gun armament should be reduced IMO to one MG, because there are two in side doors and one in a rear ramp, so one target can be usually engaged with only one MG. MGs are vz.59, by the way (http://www.army.cz/avis/areport2005/ar17str.pdf )
There can be also variant with 6x32 57mm S-5K rockets or 6x20 80mm rockets (maybe replacing #119 unit)

118 Mi-8 - precisely, Mi-8T. It carried 64 (4x16) S-5K rockets, so their number should be doubled or they could be upgraded to 4x57mm S-5K. According to http://www.vrtulnik.cz/mi-8.htm first ones were delivered in late 1967 (now 1/67) and used well after 1986, but later photos on this page don't show hardpoints. Probably they were disarmed in 1991, like Mi-17 (see #120), so probable ending date of armed variant should be 12/91.

119 Mi-8TB - there's no sign that such gunship variant was ever used in Czechoslovakia and it's very doubtful. A detailed page on the Czech Mi-8 quoted above don't mention it. To be removed (or changed to rocket-armed Mi-171S - see #117)

120 Mi-17 - most probably they didn't carry nose MG. It could carry at least 6x16 rockets (maximum 6x32), so it could be fitted with third weapon #190 with 12+4 shots and they even all could be upgraded to 4x57mm S-5K. According to http://www.vrtulnik.cz/mil/mi-17.htm they were disarmed starting from 1991, due to interpretation of CFE Treaty (including removal of electric wiring). Photos on this page don't confirm presence of a machine gun nor its mounting in a nose.

121 Mi-8 / Falanga - no sign it was ever used in CS - see unit #119. It could be changed to normal unarmed Mi-8T, used from late 67 until some 2015(?)

122 W-3A Sokol - used since 10/96 (now: 1/96).

123 Mi-17 - used since 10/84 probably until 120 (http://www.vrtulnik.cz/mil/mi-17.htm )

124 Mi-24 / Falanga - proper name is Mi-24D. Delivered in 24.8.78 (now: 1/78) and used until 2003 (now: 12/91)(http://www.vrtulnik.cz/mil/mi-24.htm ). Standard armament of Mi-24 was 128 (4x32) S-5K rockets (in addition to missiles), so they should be upgraded to double number of 4x57mm S-5K or to 8x57mm S-5K (weapon #186 from Russian oob). Gun's name spelling in Czech is JaKB. Cooler icon (and fit to actual camo) is 3484.

125 Mi-24 / Kokon - proper name is Mi-24V. Delivered only in late 12/85 (now: 1/85) (http://www.vrtulnik.cz/mil/mi-24.htm ). Rocket armament and icon - as above.

126 Mi-24 / Kokon - name, rockets, icon - as above.

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550 Mi-1 - max speed was 185km/h (61, now: 76) - it concerns all countries.

There was also a variant Mi-1AKR for artillery spotting from 1962.

551 Fa-223 - currently has no radio value. It was only one or two units.

Proposed unit: light helicopter VR-2 (HC-2) (http://www.vrtulnik.cz/hc-2.htm ). Data, icon and picture (as for now) may be similar to OH-23 Raven, but crew=1, carry=1, speed=42 (126 km/h), used from 1956 (there were army trials of the prototype from 1956, small series went to army in 1960) until some 1963. (Needs date change in formation #39)

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902 Mi-17 - most probably they didn't carry MG. See #120.

903 Mi-24 Hind E - correct name is Mi-24V. I can't see a reason to create rocket-only armed variations of unit #125, since Mi-24 could carry 4 missiles and 128 rockets 57 mm at a time as a standard. Anyway, used from 1/86 (see #125), correct icon=3484 or 3485 (now it's Mi-24A).

904 Mi-24 Hind D - correct name is Mi-24D. As above, I can't see a reason to create rocket-only armed variations of unit #124, since Mi-24 could carry 4 missiles and 128 rockets 57 mm at a time as a standard. Used from 8/78 (see #124).

905 Mi-24 Hind E - icon, name, date as #903. Apart from 80 mm rockets, it can carry also 4 x 9M114 Sturm missiles (see #125).

906 Mi-24 Hind D - name, date as #904. I have no specific information, but it seems, that 80 mm rockets were used only from the 1980s. Apart from 80 mm rockets, it can carry also 4 Falanga AT missiles (see #124).

907 Mi-24 Hind E - icon, name as #903. It can carry up to 16 x 122 mm rockets (4x4) and also 4 x 9M114 Sturm missiles (see #125). The rocket's designation is LR-122 (modified BM-21 Grad rocket - http://forum.valka.cz/viewtopic.php/t/22273 ). These rockets were first tested in 6/89 (now: 1/85) (http://www.vrtulnik.cz/mil/grady.htm ). A photo with 8x122 mm and 64x57mm: http://www.acr.army.cz/images/id_5001_6000/5063/02.jpg

908 Mi-24 Hind D - name Mi-24D. As for rockets and first date - see above.

909 Mi-24 Hind E - I haven't found any information if there ever existed guided 57 mm rockets (which seem to small for guidance and are generally considered too small to be effective) - and if they are used by the Czech Republic.

910, 911 Mi-24 Hind E - name, icon as #903. I haven't found any information if there are used guided rockets in the Czech Republic. It should be verified.
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