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Originally Posted by Pibwl
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296 KNIL Tractor - it should be the one above, used by KNIL only. Better icon for such tiny vehicle seems 3309 (I don't know what it is but it fits).
From
http://www.overvalwagen.com/tractors.html it seems, that ordinary Caterpillar tractors were also used from early 1930s(?)
Apparently the Dutch army in Europe didn't use tracked artillery tractors - only 6x6 Trado for artillery (
http://www.waroverholland.nl/index.p...he-trado-truck, more:
http://www.grebbeberg.nl/index.php?page=trado-truck), 4x2(?) Fords or Chevrolets with PAG body for AT artillery (on a photo 30015) and agricultural tractors (book "Holland paraat!").
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Armoured vehicles:
52 Panserwagen M36 - a photo is Lithuanian car, differing in camo and details (
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/F...nian_L-181.jpg). A photo of a Dutch M36 is 30055 (used for M38), or here:
http://i.wheelsage.org/pictures/p/pr...erk_l181_3.jpg
53 Panserwagen M38 - a photo 30055 is in fact M36. Previous 30055 (from 2001) was M38. Several good photos are here
https://www.landsverk-m38.nl/images/...tie%20NIMH.jpg
https://www.landsverk-m38.nl/M38_eng_photo.htm https://www.landsverk-m38.nl/M38_eng_production.htm
Mixed photos are also here
http://www.grebbeberg.nl/index.php?p...--pantserwagen
55 M39 Van Doorne - AFAIK it wasn't known as Van Doorne, only DAF, or Pantrado -
http://www.waroverholland.nl/index.p...type-landsverk https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/DAF_M39
80 Rolls Royce A/C - there were no RR AC used in the Netherlands in early 1930s, and AFAIK none exported apart from British dominions - Osprey New Vanguard 189 doesn't confirm it either.
A Russian book from Bronekollektsya series (5/99) about armoured vehicles of small European countries claims only, that there was a single Ehrhardt truck armoured by the Dutch and used until mid-30s (apparently not a German Ehrhardt armoured car).
There are also mentioned eight GMC trucks and three Morris 6x4 armoured by the Dutch in 1929 and 1932, armed with Lewis guns and used for police duties - but no details or pictures are given. By the beginning of war, "almost all" were in inoperable condition.
The page
http://www.waroverholland.nl/index.p...type-landsverk mentions about "a small number of obsolete Morris armoured cars".
...After a while of searching, I've found such Russian pages:
http://www.aviarmor.net/tww2/armored...olland/gmc.htm
http://www.aviarmor.net/tww2/armored...nd/wijnman.htm
On the latter page there is an error, because in caption it says about 1934 year and 12 vehicles, while in the text there is 1932 and three vehicles: Buffel, Bison и Wisent, on Morris chassis. If we add it, an icon 2845 of Polish Kubus might be OK.
I've found also such forum:
http://www.network54.com/Forum/33033...rs+before+1936
307 Carden Loyd 36 - better name seems VCL M1936 (it was Vickers tank, Carden Loyd is associated mostly with tankettes).
Delivered in 11/1937 according to
http://www.warfare.altervista.org/Du...rden_loyd.html
You can see also
http://www.overvalwagen.com/vickerstanks.html
In fact, first two tanks were armed with twin Browning .30 MG, and only the rest, to be delivered from July 1939, were armed with Vickers TMG, but the difference might be negligible
308 MHarrington 4TA - they were operable only in 3/42 (now 8/41)
http://www.overvalwagen.com/tanks.html
http://www.warfare.altervista.org/Ma...ton/nl-mh.html
According to this page, they had only .30 CMG and BMG
I suggest a full designation M-H CTLS-4TA
Also, there could be added other M-H tanks: CTMS-1TBI and MTLS-1GI4, which were actually operated by the Dutch in Surinam (on contrary to dubious British tanks). They could be in a separate formation, named eg. "tanks in Surinam".
More info:
http://www.warfare.altervista.org/Ma...tank.html#1tbi https://books.google.pl/books?id=N1L...20ctms&f=false (plans)
...Speaking of which:
03-05 Vickers Mk VI, Honey, Stuart, 193 Grant, 310 M3A1 Stuart - I couldn't find info about Dutch vehicles in Great Britain, but, considering, that the Dutch forces there weren't numerous, and enough only to create one infantry brigade (see
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_...fantry_Brigade ), it is doubtful, if they used tanks. They should be for training only, anyway - since the brigade used only few armoured cars in combat.
188,189 Ram I,II - according to
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ram_tank , Rams were acquired only post-war (and it would be quite strange to train the Dutch on Canadian tanks...)
309 Vickers LT 6B - there's no sign of Vickers 6-ton being used by the Dutch on pages about KNIL armour, nor in books nor pages about Vickers 6-ton.
311 VCL M1931 Amph - delivered in 11/1937 according to
http://www.warfare.altervista.org/Du...rden_loyd.html and
http://www.overvalwagen.com/vickerstanks.html
Would need a change in form. 197-200 - the earliest KNIL tank.
There are also photos of Dutch tanks
318 M3A1 Scout Car - acquired in early 1941 (now 1/40) -
http://www.overvalwagen.com/armoured3.html
Used until the end in Dutch West Indies.
Better name is probably White Scout Car
319 M-H III - according to
http://www.overvalwagen.com/armoured3.html they were armed in one Vickers TMG and one Vickers BMG (eg. weapon 151), and arrived in 2/41 (now 1/41). The Dutch had no Brens. There is also a photo
http://www.overvalwagen.com/images/tangerang_ovw.jpg