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Old August 23rd, 2016, 08:18 PM

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Default Re: Netherlands OOB28 v.9

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39,58 75mm Field Gun, FG Trp - its weapon #33 75mm Krupp M06 has too long range 205 - it had 10.000 m after modification http://www.waroverholland.nl/index.p...eld-gun-7-veld so it seems it should be 200 in game terms.

I think, that it's worth to rename weapon 33 to "75mm 7-veld M04" or "75mm 7-veld FG", as it is universally known in Holland (Dutch pages doesn't use M-year designation here, but they say it was introduced in 1904 - also http://www.grebbeberg.nl/index.php?page=stuk-van-7-veld).


278,281 KNIL 75mm How, FH Trp - according to http://www.overvalwagen.com/KNILartillery.html and http://www.quartermastersection.com/...1265/75mmM1911, KNIL used 75 M.11 Krupp guns instead of 7-veld M.04, with slightly bigger range 10,600m (201?)


41 100mm Howitzer, 42 105mm Howitzer, 73,74 100/105mm FH Troop - according to
http://www.waroverholland.nl/index.p...-gun-10-veld-2 the only significant gun of such caliber was modern 105mm Bofors 10-veld L/40 gun (M.27), not Schneider M.13.
It should have longer range 16,200 m (206 in game terms?)
Both photos seems not Bofors, nor Schneider.
More photos are at: http://www.grebbeberg.nl/index.php?p...uk-van-10-veld

Book "Holland paraat!" mentions also 105mm leFH-18 delivered "sparsely" and "without aimining instruments or ammunition".

279 KNIL 105mm How and 284 KNIL105mmFH Trp - according to http://www.overvalwagen.com/KNILartillery.html and http://www.quartermastersection.com/...66/105mmM.1924 KNIL used shorter 105 mm L/22 Bofors M.24 with 10,500 m range (201?)

45 5in Naval Gun - precisely, Dutch destroyers used 120mm (4.7in) guns.


154,155 Static AA Gun - according to
http://www.waroverholland.nl/index.p...ences-may-1940 Vickers guns were
used from 1935, and Skoda from around 1/40. Earlier some obsolete short-barrel AA guns were used.


289 57mm Inf-Gun - probably it should be basic infantry gun 6-veld, used also for anti-tank defence, although it is model 1894:
http://www.waroverholland.nl/index.p...try-gun-6-veld
http://www.grebbeberg.nl/index.php?page=stuk-van-6-veld
I suggest a name "57mm 6-veld gun" or "57mm 6-veld IG".
The weapon #27 should be renamed accordingly (now there is 5 veld M80). Range is a bit too long (75) - it had 3500 m (70)
There are good photos on the last page - probably appropriate also for 288 57mm Mtn Gun unit

Maybe it should be duplicated also as AT gun, although it had a poor performance?

291 65mm Inf-Gun, 298 75mm Inf-Gun, 302 95mm Inf-Gun - there's no info on quoted pages, that the Dutch Army in Europe used any of these guns, only 6-veld. However, there's no info, if KNIL used infantry guns, and which... anyway, they might be marked as KNIL IG until they would be verified...

300 84mm Inf-Gun - there were indeed ancient 8-staal guns (not 8-veld - should be renamed) http://www.waroverholland.nl/index.p...ld-gun-8-staal , but it seems they were used as artillery, not infantry guns.


297 75mm Mtn Gun - a KNIL gun (Mtn guns are used only by KNIL formations) - should be 75 mm Bofors L/19 M.22 (http://www.overvalwagen.com/KNILartillery.html and http://www.quartermastersection.com/...1264/75mmM1924). The weapon is marked as 75mm 7 Veld M04, which was a field gun in fact - and should be renamed.
Hogg's "twentieth-century artillery" gives range 9,300 m (http://www.quartermastersection.com/...1264/75mmM1924 even 10,500 m, but it doesn't look very reliable source).


290 65mm Mtn Gun, 299 84mm Mtn Gun, 301 95mm Mtn Gun - there is no info on such KNIL mountain guns http://www.overvalwagen.com/KNILartillery.html, and 75 mm ones were available since 1/30


294 Vickers Tractor - photo is Italian FIAT OCI. It was small Belgian Vickers Utility tractor
http://www.overvalwagen.com/tractors.html
http://www.quartermastersection.com/...tilityBTractor
Apparently they were used by KNIL only.

295 KNIL Limber - photo is an ordinary wagon
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