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Old August 25th, 2016, 07:38 PM

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Default Re: Netherlands OOB28 v.9

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41 100mm Howitzer, 42 105mm Howitzer, 73,74 100/105mm FH Troop - according to
http://www.waroverholland.nl/index.p...-gun-10-veld-2 the only significant gun of such caliber was modern 105mm Bofors 10-veld L/40 gun (M.27), not Schneider M.13.
It should have longer range 16,200 m (206 in game terms?)
Both photos seems not Bofors, nor Schneider.
More photos are at: http://www.grebbeberg.nl/index.php?p...uk-van-10-veld
One more thing: 105 mm Bofors howitzer should have twin trail icon, eg. 2123

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13,14 DAF Med/Heavy Truck - In fact, Dutch army used mostly Ford trucks, also converted to three axle by DAF (Ford Trado) http://www.waroverholland.nl/index.p...he-trado-truck
Photos are 2.5t GMC CCKW.

I'd suggest to create just generic Medium/heavy truck and 6x6 Ford Trado as medium truck

For a generic truck, photo 9275 would be better.

In formation 170 ATG Motor Pl, medium trucks as 47mm tractors are better to be replaced with 160 DAF Utility Car utility vehicle, which shows a light artillery tractor Ford PAG.

152 KNIL DaF Truck - KNIL rather didn't use DAFs, but more easily available Chevys http://www.overvalwagen.com/transportvehicleschevy.html
Photo is Dodge 6x6

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311 VCL M1931 Amph - delivered in 11/1937...
It should be available until 3/42 only http://www.overvalwagen.com/vickerstanks.html

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Unfortunately, I can't find info, what armoured vehicles had Prinses Irene Brigde in 1944. I can't verify Humbers nos 135-138. For sure there were used Daimler Dingo, which should be added (as armoured car?) - http://daimler-fighting-vehicles.co....%20brigade.pdf .

According to "Batailles et Blindes" no.43, unit 47 Staghound was used in 9/44 by Princess Irene Bde, and it had also AEC AC III, Staghound AA and Humber LRC III, but it's hard to verify.

I've found such pages http://www.fireandfury.com/orbats/la...hbelgorbat.pdf and http://testofbattle.com/phpBB2/viewt...76c06ed069677c but they seem compilations for wargames, and both differ in details and are not sure. Especially it is not clear, if there was an Armoured Car Squadron indeed, which is in pdf file, marked as DB02 (1944).

Anyway, for sure there were used Loyd tractors for 6 pdr AT guns (might be added) and Bren carriers. As for a Bren carrier, we have unit 011, which should have longer availability period - but on the other hand it can't serve as APC with its low capacity (it couldn't take even its 6 soldiers anyway). Maybe it should be some scout vehicle? Speaking of APCs, it seems clearly, that a basic mean of transport in 1944 wasn't 038 M3A2 Halftrack, but a truck... (there are no halftracks in quoted TOEs, and AFAIK they were rather used in limited quantity in infantry of armoured divisions, not in ordinary infantry brigades..). Thus, if we remove halftrack from formation 39 Mech Inf Pl and replace it with truck, 011 Bren carrier might just remain an APC for a longer period.

It seems also, that there should be added HMG carrier (132 in British OOB) - or HMG transported by unarmed carriers.

There should be also made a motorized 25 pdr battery available in 6/44 (we have only KNIL artillery in that period).

I've found also such table, but alas without any vehicles: http://www.go2war2.nl/artikel/928/Pr...ade.htm?page=3

That's all as for now.

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