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Old February 18th, 2004, 12:05 PM
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Default Finding an appropriate Communion Slave

After reading the various threads I found on the subjects Communion Slave and T'ien Chi, I would like to start this one here with the question in mind:

How can I get a good communion slave for Tien Chi Spring and Autumn?
Empowerment seems way out of the question.
Using a Celestial Master as a slave just seems like such a waste.
Hoping for a nice pick for a Master of the Way might give me 1-3 in two dozen turns, but that doesnt sound like a decent strategy upon which to *rely*.
So I figure: manufacture Matrixes and put them on the Masters of the Dead.
Slave matrixes cost 1E and 1S, Construc 4. So either I will need a pretender to do this or have luck with a Celest Master/Mot5E. Also tough. Or not?
Or research up to Conc 7 and cast Forge, then anyone can forge them?

What other options are open to me?
I just *loooove* the celestial master, for 250 gold he is a dirt cheap multitasker, but I would love to be able to cast those 100+ fatigue spells with him, and I cant do that without some slaves.

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Old February 18th, 2004, 01:07 PM
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How can I get a good communion slave for Tien Chi Spring and Autumn?
Empowerment seems way out of the question.
Right.

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Using a Celestial Master as a slave just seems like such a waste.
Agree, although it's still doable when everything else fails.

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Hoping for a nice pick for a Master of the Way might give me 1-3 in two dozen turns, but that doesnt sound like a decent strategy upon which to *rely*.
Sabbath slaves act just as communion slaves for communion purposes. Two 2 dozens MotW should give you 6 potential slaves on average, if you do a bit of blood hunting.

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So I figure: manufacture Matrixes and put them on the Masters of the Dead.
Doable but expensive, don't rely on it too much. Although having a couple Slave matrixes ready to use would be a good insurance in your case.

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Or research up to Conc 7 and cast Forge, then anyone can forge them?
You can't rely on that either.

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What other options are open to me?
There are no easy options for nations who lack easy access to a cheap astral or blood mage. One of the most common ways is to rely on lucky placement of independents. Look for amazon provinces above anything else. The Crystal/Garnet priestesses both make good cheap communion/sabbath slaves.
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Thanks sir.
Why not rely on Forge of Ancients? (Dispell?)
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Default Re: Finding an appropriate Communion Slave

If you find a library, you can use sages with a random in astral as communion slaves, and let the others carry your research, but it is still no ideal.

Do you really need communion slaves with Tien Ch'i anyway ? Empowerment / magic raising items / reinvigoration items can be enough to cast your battle spells without communion...
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Thanks sir.
Why not rely on Forge of Ancients?
Just for the same reason you can't rely too much on MotW for your communion slaves: you don't know beforehand if you'll find enough earth sites to have a chance to cast it.

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That too, or a stronger Forge of the Ancients from another nation, or having your caster killed.

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Right thanks.

@Tacticus: Yes and no. I want them to be able to cast the 1-gem 100+ fatigue spells (flaming arrows, arrow fend, wind guide) -- they *can* cast these with item-boosts, but a communion will let them cast these and then do other stuff too since they wont go immediately unconcsious.
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