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				Longdead Archery vs SC\'s/High Quality Summons
	
			 
             
			
		
		
		
		In the countless efforts to bring down SC's, I rarely see massed longdead archers cited.  It seems these guys are ridiculous value for the money against high value troops & SC's.  You can easily get more and the bane venom effect will kill off the SC/devil/summons at the conclusion of the battle.  Groups of 40 archers are so ought to be able to carry the field vs single SC's.  Larger groups would inflict heavy damage to massed expensive troops that are not as easily replaced as the archers. 
 
Am I missing something on the effects of bane fire/venom?  Is there a good counter for the SC focused player against these guys and massed undead as support? 
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
	
		
		
	
	
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				Re: Longdead Archery vs SC\'s/High Quality Summons
			 
             
			
		
		
		
		no, it is a good tactic. 
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
	
		
		
	
	
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				March 11th, 2006, 01:39 PM
			
			
			
		  
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				Re: Longdead Archery vs SC\'s/High Quality Summons
			 
             
			
		
		
		
		the only counter i can think of is air shield+flying 
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
	
		
		
	
	
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				March 11th, 2006, 01:43 PM
			
			
			
		  
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				Re: Longdead Archery vs SC\'s/High Quality Summons
			 
             
			
		
		
		
		well, they're pretty fragile, so they are fairly vulnerable themselves. 
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
	
		
		
	
	
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				March 11th, 2006, 02:11 PM
			
			
			
		  
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				Re: Longdead Archery vs SC\'s/High Quality Summons
			 
             
			
		
		
		
		which is why i said airshield+flying. you can avoid their arrows and then fly up and kill them (try a golem with amulet of missle protection, flying shoes, charcoal shield and a weapon of your choice. script him like this: personal luck, body ethereal, attack archers) 
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
	
		
		
	
	
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				Re: Longdead Archery vs SC\'s/High Quality Summons
			 
             
			
		
		
		
		or you could not use sc's in the first place... a few mages + scrap troops would work just fine... 
 
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				Re: Longdead Archery vs SC\'s/High Quality Summons
			 
             
			
		
		
		
		Ordinary archers set to fire at archers are an efficient way to fight bane archers too, but the point of course is that bane archers are one of the few things available to efficiently deal with super-combattants. 
They can also accidentally take out your own good units, too.   
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				Re: Longdead Archery vs SC\'s/High Quality Summons
			 
             
			
		
		
		
		Yeah, nothing like sending your pretender to melee enemy SC and send longdead archers to cover his back - with bane arrows.     
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
	
		
		
	
	
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				Re: Longdead Archery vs SC\'s/High Quality Summons
			 
             
			
		
		
		
		id say that the cheapest priests you can find would be the best way to deal with them the only exception being hwen theres a wall of longdead ect infront of them to absort banishments 
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
	
		
		
	
	
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				Re: Longdead Archery vs SC\'s/High Quality Summons
			 
             
			
		
		
		
		But if you have priests, you don't have a lone SC anymore. And you have to protect the priests somehow. And if you afford that much protection, you might just as well bring in a mage or too, to distract the enemy, and spam something nice (Frozen Heart would be ideal with cheap W mages, False Horrors with Air, etc). 
 
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