Which nations need help?

DrPraetorious · #1 May 8th, 2007, 09:16 PM

I'm continuing to work on spells and I was wondering if people thought there were other nations that needed help?

My list of positions that need help already includes:
Marverni - EA
Ulm - EA MA
Ermor - EA
T'ien Ch'i - MA
Agartha - MA

I'll also be doing spells for other nations (especially nations like Machaka that are kind of underserved) - which, since they aren't intended to be useless, will still be a boost in power, but not a large one (or that's the idea).

Anyone else have any to add?

Llamabeast suggested that I move this to the main forum, so I did.

lch · #2 May 8th, 2007, 10:31 PM

Uhm, why did you leave LA Ulm out from that list?

RonD · #3 May 8th, 2007, 11:29 PM

Whichever one is being played by me.

DrPraetorious · #4 May 9th, 2007, 01:46 AM

LA Ulm has a very strong sacred unit.

LA Ulm has a wealth of national spells - including, for example, a national spell that lets you trade blood slaves for blood hunters. The count has become an utterly inferior thug, but it still worth it as a blood hunter.

They also get a unit-hordeing unit out of their capital.

I agree that LA Ulm is not an overwhelmingly strong position, but with their diversity of stuff they are perfectly competitive. Also, LA nations are generally not that fancy - seldom better than 2 picks in anything.

Sandman · #5 May 9th, 2007, 04:59 AM

Middle T'ien Ch'i really isn't that bad.

Ferrosol · #6 May 9th, 2007, 10:06 AM

EA Ermor bad? has good melee troops for the early game access to a wide variety of magic and has a semi decent sacred. weaker than MA/LA maybe and not in the same class as the heims in EA certainly but to my mind one of the better nations to choose

Caduceus · #7 May 9th, 2007, 11:29 AM

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RonD said:
Whichever one is being played by me.

HA! I bet I can lose to you while both hands aren't tied behind my back.

DrPraetorious · #8 May 9th, 2007, 01:46 PM

I'd like to give R'lyeh the ability to become a blood position once it comes on land.

Mainly, this is for thematic reasons - if you've got cultists, they should be performing blood sacrifices. Duh.

This would involve national blood spells, and adding blood magic to some of the R'lyeh freespawns.

The other nation on which I'd like feedback is C'tis.

Is EA C'tis weak? I've never played it in multi-player. I honestly don't know.

MA C'tis is a very interesting nation. It seems to me that the chief weakness of MA C'tis is that they have a lot of trouble with magic diversification. But would MA C'tis be too powerful if they didn't have that limitation? The best workaround at present is to take 4N on your God so that you can place shrouds on diseased independent casters. This is expensive and non-optimal in a lot of respects.

I think the only thing LA C'tis needs is the ability to bless her undead, which my mod already enables. LA C'tis is already swimming with national magic in any case, and hardly needs more.

Cor · #9 May 9th, 2007, 02:16 PM

Thanks for including Marverni - EA, they are in the most need, IMHO

MaxWilson · #10 May 9th, 2007, 02:58 PM

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DrPraetorious said:
The other nation on which I'd like feedback is C'tis.

Is EA C'tis weak? I've never played it in multi-player. I honestly don't know.

I don't play MP, but at least in SP they are one of my favorite nations. Cheap sacred researchers, no need for a bless means it's easy to prioritize magic research. No real problems with expansion given Elite Warriors and Heavy Infantry. Easy access to skelly spam and later on Cloud of Death. Magic diversification is a bit of a problem at first, but C'tis has an easy time getting intelligent Tartarians with so many death and nature mages, and Unfrozen mages are an option sometimes too. I don't see C'tis as needing any help.

-Max