WinSPPWW2 Large caliber Anti Aircarft

bluetank · #1 October 14th, 2007, 09:06 PM

I need someone to help me. When I choose large caliber Anti aircraft guns (88MM Flak for the Germans or 85MM for the Soviets) the will not shoot at the enemy aircraft-only enemy tanks. What is wrong? I even checked the configuration and it is the same as the small caliber (37MM and 20MM Flak guns). The small caliber weapons work fine and fire at both armoured fighting vehicles as well as the aircraft.

PanzerBob · #2 October 14th, 2007, 09:58 PM

All large caliber AA Guns were changed to AT Roles only. The Large AAA doesn't fit the scale of the game.
This question should be in the general SPWWII Forum.

Prosit!

Marek_Tucan · #3 October 15th, 2007, 07:32 AM

Even the dual-purpose guns weren't so easy to change stance from AA to AT fire at moment's notice - all large-caliber DP guns are in game as direct-fire only, ie no AAA (in some cases they were used also for indirect, for example at Anzio there was unusually high number of deployed 88's, many of them as field guns for indirect fire).

bluetank · #4 October 19th, 2007, 05:00 PM

so to everyones knowledge there is no way to, for example, to buy German 88's or Soviet 85MM which serve strictly as AAA guns?

Marek_Tucan · #5 October 19th, 2007, 05:07 PM

correct. Had too slow traverse to catch those tree-hugging jabos

chuckfourth · #6 December 27th, 2007, 06:03 PM

Hi Marek
Actually they can catch the tree hugging Jabbos. If the jabbo is travelling perpendicular to the 88 at say a kilometer distance then the guns traverse is quite fast enough to keep up. There is certainly plenty of footage of 88s shooting down sturmovics.
Also AAA 88s do fit the scale of the game. If they were given AAA they would be the antidote for 'level' bombers.
Best Regards Chuck.

Starmyth · #7 December 27th, 2007, 09:23 AM

Peeps were flying aircraft in the earlier designs to cause the 88s AA guns to fire so they could destroy them with their arty fire. This was making the 88s virtually useless. At least, that is the way I remember it.

chuckfourth · #8 December 28th, 2007, 07:40 PM

Hi Starmyth
This has been fixed recently the AA range used to be uneffected by the range setting I believe it now is. So setting range to say 1 hex will give you AA that will ignore aircraft but be ready to engage ground targets (under you control not the AIs). The AA range can be reset at any time if you wish for the AA to engage planes. If 88s were given AA ability this sort of range stting would protect them to some extent. But then people would probably want the UK 3.7 and US 90mm in game in the AA role also. You then have the problem that they would used for direct fire which they wernt (Im sure there is one exception somewhere). The allies had plenty of much cheaper low profile AT and tank destroyers available. 3.7 and 90 could be included in the game in the AA role if they -wernt- given direct fire ability. Everyone (The big players anyway) would then be have some weapons that could take on level bombers. The maps are getting quite big after all. If the change suggested in my thread "Artillery Plotting" were put in place then it would also take much longer to silence rear area (not in view) AA such as the 88 with artillery. encourageing there deployment as such.
Best Regards Chuck.

montieth · #9 January 11th, 2009, 03:26 PM

[quote=chuckfourth;571175]Hi Starmyth
This has been fixed recently the AA range used to be uneffected by the range setting I believe it now is. So setting range to say 1 hex will give you AA that will ignore aircraft but be ready to engage ground targets (under you control not the AIs). The AA range can be reset at any time if you wish for the AA to engage planes. If 88s were given AA ability this sort of range stting would protect them to some extent. But then people would probably want the UK 3.7 and US 90mm in game in the AA role also. You then have the problem that they would used for direct fire which they wernt (Im sure there is one exception somewhere).[quote]

See above, they were capable, but as a corps asset, it didnt' happen very often. There were more than a few batteies in Egypt over towards Cairo, had the germans gotten that far, they'd have met them. One example a freind researched saw the Canadians doing their HAA drills, on ice, in northen Canada on their training ranges, some of their shoots were direct fire. There's a spectacular night shot of a 3.7 firing at a very low depression with the gun illuminated by the muzzel flash and you can just see the stakes used to anchor the gun on the ice/snow.

As a corps level asset (or higer), they should be expensive and unexpected to see on the actual battle map. Just like putting 5.5 inch and 4.5 inch BL guns, 155mm gun, 7.2 inch howitzer, 8 inch gun and the 240mm gun.