Time for a poll. (The subject is abuse)

[Tuidjy]

Lately there have been quite a few threads about what's abuse and what isn't.
Here are some that I think are the worst. Note that I do not consider all of
them abuse, but I have never used them against a player in multiplayer, mostly
to avoid bad feelings or gaining a bad reputation.

I am really curious what people think.

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[Jazzepi]

Out of all of the billions of polls recently this is the only one I've been interested in. Danke for posting it.

Jazzepi

[Tuidjy]

Damn. I forgot so many things that people consider abuse. Bogus's orders,
moving slow troops quickly, sallying into a neighboring province...

[Rathar]

Man this subject both stuffed sand in and twisted your panties. I've noticed you raving in at least 5 threads now.

While a topic worthy of discussion it's not worth frothing about. Heck people are quitting the game in Capuchin over this backlash. Relax dude, really.

You got my votes though!

[Cerlin]

I think it is an issue. I mean if things like this make people not want to play anymore, and shrink the community, that is bad.
At the same time this poll shows how split people are on some of these things. So I mean, lets talk! I did not vote yes for all these being exploits, some like VoTD I really dont mind and think its fine. Others like mists of decept. + enchant + run would really be annoying. And hacking yourself orders you wouldnt normally have is obviously taking huge advantage.

[Twan]

I only answered no for the sickle thing, as fighting somewhere "without risk" doesn't exist in dominions (especially if you have to rely on a ally to provide you things to kill, he knows where is your SC and an artefact which means even more risk).

[Xietor]

I thought we had settled these issues in another thread. But to recap:

1. After much debate, in games hosted by velusion, myself, and maybe Llamabeast(cannot recall), if you cast a battlefield spell that causes damage, you cannot retreat the caster until the very last scripted turn(5 turns).

2. In games hosted by Velusion, Llamaserver, and me, you cannot copy orders to attack mage from bogus' friends to other units.

3. I see no issue with the sickle. If an ally lets you kill his troops, he recognizes he is aiding you and he will eventually have to kill you. Also, if a spy witnesses this,
someone could get a nasty surprise.

4. Vengeance of the dead-not abuse. if your sc has killed a lot of people, your best defense is high mr to resist the spell. Mind hunt kills you instantly if you fail the mr check, at least vod gives you a fighting chance.

5. Twice Born on Demons-not abuse. It costs 10d gems and if that is how you wish to spend 10d gems, that is your business. K did this to me in the Big game, and I had no problem dealing with it.

6. Filling lab with slave collars-abuse. And this is common sense.

[lch]

Cerlin said:
I mean if things like this make people not want to play anymore, and shrink the community, that is bad.

I think I can name at least three people that I removed from the playing community myself, and the actual number is probably even higher.

quantum_mechani said:
I've put my two cents in on this before, but in my opinion anything that can be accomplished through the basic game interface and is not specifically outlawed by the host is fair game.

+1

Don't hate the players, hate the game!

[Xietor]

In my EH II Game, the rules on the 1st page state:

"Two notable exploits that will also be banned;

1. If you capture bogus and his Dark Knight, you can script those captured units to attack mages, but you cannot copy their "attack mage" orders to other commanders.

2. You cannot cast battlefield enchantments that cause damage to enemy units, then retreat the casting mage before 5 rounds of combat passes. In other words, if you cast Wrathful Skies, you cannot order that mage to retreat before 5 turns has passed(your last available scripting order can be retreat)."

So it is always a good thing to set out what is banned before players sign up. If someone wants an everything goes game, they can look elsewhere.

While flooding a player's lab with slave collars etc is not listed, this is obviously abuse and if it occurred in a game I hosted the offending player would be removed for a sub, or his race set to AI.

Edit: Velusion's Rules:

• Using the copy/paste orders + Bogus to target commanders with non-Bogus leaders.
• Spamming items to another player with the intent of filling up their lab so that their forgings will fail.
• Casting a battlefield wide spell continuous spell with a mage and then immediately running away - causing the spell to last forever. This is on Edi's list but is difficult to avoid. The comprise: All mages that cast a battlefield wide enchantment need to stay on the battlefield for 5 complete turns. The very last order can be to retreat.