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		growltigga, 
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		My messed up kid was bored one night at the Quike Mart. 
So he changed the name on his name badge to SATAN. 
He would ring up a customers purchase and say "That will be $17.39 and your immortal soul please." 
 
He was fired the next morning, the boss had a hard time doing it between fits of laughter. All the time saying things like "What were you thinking?" and "Do that face (expression) again.". My son got hired back a month later. 
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
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		Hehe, excellent story wardad. Quite ingenious from your kid though. I can imagine how the manager must have felt, enjoying the joke yet having to fire him. 
Did he collect any souls by the end of the day?     
 
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Personally, I am sure that they did land on the moon back in 1969.  The cold war with Russia was still going strong at that time and I am sure the Russians (as well as anyone else with the capability) had telescopes tracking the lander and would have shouted out loud if the Americans had in fact gone for a quick spin round the earth, dicked about with the Van Halen belt (maybe air guitared to "Eruption") and then came home clutching a piece of pumice and saying "oooh, look what we found"
			
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 Well I totally agree that the landings were not faked however the Russians could not have traked the lander all the way to the moon via telescopes. One of the arguments used to support a hoax is that no pictures have been taken of the landers still on the moon.  The answer is that even the Hubble does not have the power to see an object that small on the moon. 
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
		
		
		
		
		
		
	
		
		
	
	
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  No, he liked the other bands. He was in Nazareth. Lead guitar IIRC. That's why they called him Jesus of Nazareth.      
  
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And from that follows that those that do not accept Christ will not get into heaven. Hence, a large majority of people get to go to Hell, assuming that Christianity is right. 
 
Of course, no one has yet answered my question as to why Christianity (or whatever their personal belief system is) is right, and all other religions are wrong. What is so special/different about Christianity that makes everyone else wrong? How do you know that your religious beliefs are the right ones, and Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, Australian Aboriginals, American Indians, non-converted-to-Christianity Africans, etc. are all wrong? And no quote from the Bible could possibly be a valid logical argument for this, as that would require very circular reasoning, which is a huge logical fallacy.
			
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 Actually, Fyron has made some goods points. 
 
Some of "us" Christians believe we have the truth and nobody else does.  
 
Does that make us arrogant? I fear it does if we are unable to accept the possibility that other religions can be correct/true as well. 
 
Anyone who has taken a philosophy courses and in particular epistimology knows it it impossible to prove or disprove the existance of God. 
 
And some Christians are going to hate me for this...if you cannot prove the existance of God, how can you prove the existance of the Son of God.  
 
So, I understand the position of the atheist or the agnostic. They have taken a legitimate position which cannot be proved or disproved. 
 
Fyron also has asked a good question about non-Christians going to hell. Many (most?) believe this. But is it really true? Is God so condemning, so constrained that he cannot see the good in non-Christians? 
 
And what about the Jews, God's "chosen people"? They do not believe Jesus is the "Son of God'. Do they go to hell? What about young children? What about people who have not had the exposure to Christianity that we have had? Do they go to hell as well?  
 
And horrors of horrors to Christians...maybe, just maybe one of the other religions are closer to the "truth" about God and his true nature than Christianity. 
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
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Yah, I didn't rate you either way.  I don't agree with  some of your Posts, but if nobody was willing to explore a contrary view, well, we'd have a very flat/uni-dimensional view on life.  We don't have to agree to get along, just as long as you admit at the end that I'm right     
Anyhoo, if I were to rate you, it would be on the basis of what you've contributed to the SE community, which I'll add, has been  quite significant.  From that perspective, I've no choice to hand you a 5.  And not just any 5, but one of those shiny ones that SJ and Geo got.  If you ever turn your rate-o-meter back on, I'll be sure to polish one up for you.
 
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