Maps, theory discussion

[Fyron]

Isn't Google wonderful Tesco?

[tesco samoa]

google i am alittle more refined than that cookie cutter search engine.

Yea I was being funny.... I was laughing the whole time i was making that post...

[Fyron]

We all know you used Google Tesco.

[Loser]

Hmm... for the sake of readablilty it would probably be better to represent the tetrahedrons differently. Like this.

code:

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  ---------------#-------------\

 /                \ /---------\ \

 | ----------------#---------\ \ \

 |/ ------------\ / \ /-----\ \ \ \

 ||/ ------------#---#-----\ \ \ \ \

 |||/ --------\ / \ / \ /-\ \ \ \ \ \

 ||||/ --------#---#---#-\ \ \ \ \ \ \

 |||||/ ----\ / \ / \ / \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \

 ||||||/ #---#---#---#---#| | | | | | |

 |||||\|/ \ / \ / \ / \ / | / / / / / /

 ||||| #---#---#---#---#--// / / / / /

 |||\|/ \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / / / / / /

 ||| #---#---#---#---#---#-/ / / / /

 |\|/ \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / / / /

 \-#---#---#---#---#---#---#-/ / /

    \  |\  |\  |\ / \ / \ / \ / /

     \ \ \ \ \ \ #---#---#---#-/

      \ \ \ \ \ \---/|  /|  /|

       \ \ \ \ \-----/ / / / /

        \ \ \ \-------/ / / / 

         \ \ \---------/ / / 

          \ \-----------/ /

           \-------------/

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Oh yeah, sure. That's more readable...

[ January 19, 2004, 20:54: Message edited by: Loser ]

[Loser]

Next, the icosahedron!

[PvK]

Neat ideas.

I think for a competetive "fair" game, it makes a lot of sense to just show both players the map to start with. Otherwise, even without Ancient being used, there is a lot dependent on discovery, which is a shot in the dark.

The economics of the unmodded game favor the fastest, most massive expansion so much that rapid planet grabbing is the most important factor between skilled competetive players.

You guys are gonna make all these maps right?



The "Fair" map used in the Universe Cup tourney was, I thought, about as fair as could be. It is completely symmetrical (lozenge- or football- shaped), and players were allowed to study the map before play. It did get a bit dull playing on the same map after a while, though. Maybe someone could make some more maps that are completely symmetrical.

On the other hand, I tend to like randomized maps even if they aren't as fair.

Has anyone made any mods that have expansion economies half-way between Proportions and unmodded?

PvK

[Fyron]

Check out the B5 Mod. Or P&N PBW. Both of those have slowed down economic expansion, but certainly not as far as Proportions.

And for the record, even Proportions favors he who can expand the fastest. It is diluted, but fast expansion is still important.

[ January 19, 2004, 21:43: Message edited by: Imperator Fyron ]

[Loser]

I've never used the map editor. Is it possible to set up a static arrangement of systems and randomly populate them?

[Loser]

Alright, here it comes.

code:

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        /---------------\

        |/-------------\ \

        #-------------\ \ \

   /-\ /|\ /---------\ \ \ \

  / /-# | #---------\ \ \ \|

 / / /|\|/|\ /-----\ \ \ \||

/ /  || # | #-----\ \ \ \|||

|/   || |\|/|\ /-\ \ \ \||||

||   |\ | # | #-\ \ \ \|||||

||   | \|/|\|/|\ \ \ \||||||

||   |  # | # ||  \ \|||||||

||   \ /|\|/| ||   \||||||||

||  /-# | # | /|   |||||||||

|| / /|\|/|\|/ |   |||||||||

||/  || # | #  |   |||||||||

|||  || |\|/|\ /   |||||||||

|||  |\ | # | #-\  |||||||||

|||  | \|/|\|/|\ \ |||||||||

|||  |  # | # ||  \|||||||||

|||  \ /|\|/| ||  ||||||||||

||| /-# | # | /|  ||||||||||

|||/ /|\|/|\|/ |  ||||||||||

|||| || # | #  |  ||||||||||

|||| || |\|/|\ /  ||||||||||

|||| |\ | # | #-\ ||||||||||

|||| | \|/|\|/|\ \||||||||||

|||| |  # | # || |||||||||||

|||| \ /|\|/| || |||||||||||

||||/-# | # | /| |||||||||||

|||||/|\|/|\|/ | |||||||||||

||||||| # | #  | |||||||||||

||||||| |\|/|\ / |||||||||||

||||||\ | # | #-\|||||||||||

|||\|\ \|/|\|/|\||||||||||||

\\\-# \ # | # ||||||||||||||

 \\/ \|/|\|/| ||||||||||||||

  \---# | # | /|||||||||||||

      |\|/|\|/ /|/||||||||||

      | # | # / #-/|||||||||

      | |\|/|\|/ \-/////////

      | | # | #----////////

      | |/|\|/ \---///////

      \ ||| #------//////

       \\\\  \-----/////

        \\\\-------////

         \\\-------///

          \\-------//

           \-------/

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Whoa, that one's messy.

I think there's an error.

Can you find it!?!?

[edit: by the way, that's an icosahedron with an extra system midway along each edge. you might be more liekyl to recognize an icosahedron if I called it a D20]

[ January 20, 2004, 00:28: Message edited by: Loser ]

[dHay]

You could try for HyperCubes, which are one of the models minimizing the connectivity between multiprocessor systems. Ones with LOTS of processors.

Remember, the perfectly predicable map is, ummm, BORING!