OT: The price of Gas.. - Page 2

David E. Gervais · #11 February 11th, 2004, 07:59 PM

I remember someplace I heard that the oil companies are pumping something like 10 galons of fresh-water into the oil wells for every 1 gal of petrolium that they take up. So they might run out of fresh water before they run out of oil. (and to think they could be pumping sea water instead. but they prefer to use fresh watter.)

Oil we can find ways to live without, fresh-water on the other hand is necessary for life to exist.

I see big problems comming in the future.

I guess we are cursed to 'Live in interesting times'.

Cheers!

Narrew · #12 February 11th, 2004, 07:59 PM

What gets me going more than the price of gas at the pumps? Is the cost of Milk, I pay $2.80 to $3.00 per gallon. Now I know there are no refineries like gas to process this stuff. So why does milk cost more than gas, false market. Their industry is artificially supported by subsidies, bah, open it up to a free market bastards.

narf poit chez BOOM · #13 February 11th, 2004, 08:04 PM

yep, around 0.75-78c/L here. all the gas companies change there prices at the same time and what does the government say? that there is no price collusion between gas companies. yeah. right.

Fyron · #14 February 11th, 2004, 08:19 PM

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Oil we can find ways to live without, fresh-water on the other hand is necessary for life to exist.

Do you have any idea how much fresh water there is? Far more than us humans could ever make use of.

Loser · #15 February 11th, 2004, 09:17 PM

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Originally posted by Narrew:
What gets me going more than the price of gas at the pumps? Is the cost of Milk, I pay $2.80 to $3.00 per gallon. Now I know there are no refineries like gas to process this stuff. So why does milk cost more than gas, false market. Their industry is artificially supported by subsidies, bah, open it up to a free market bastards.

You might check your history, also check sociology world-wide. Industrial agriculture is incompatible with 'free market', and requires some amount of socialism.

Personally, I am pleased with the small amount we have in the U.S. I am also pleased that dairymen aren't killing each other in South Dakota over the 'free market' value of their milk. The free market is, on occasion, a bloody, bloody affair. While the current system of agricultural subsidies has room for improvement, it is preferable to the anarchy that results from total deregulation of certain industries.

Of course, I might be wrong. (But really, let's try to keep war out of South Dakota for a little while longer.)

[ February 11, 2004, 19:18: Message edited by: Loser ]

Shrapnel · #16 February 11th, 2004, 09:20 PM

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What gets me going more than the price of gas at the pumps? Is the cost of Milk, I pay $2.80 to $3.00 per gallon. Now I know there are no refineries like gas to process this stuff. So why does milk cost more than gas, false market. Their industry is artificially supported by subsidies, bah, open it up to a free market bastards.

Save money, buy a few goats, drink better milk.

Parasite · #17 February 11th, 2004, 10:06 PM

I am just coming up on my second year of ownership of a Honda Insight hybrid car. As my only car, I used a total of 140 gallons this Last year, or $200 total for gas.

Of course I sit at home and play SEIV most of the time

oleg · #18 February 11th, 2004, 10:54 PM

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Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:

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Oil we can find ways to live without, fresh-water on the other hand is necessary for life to exist.

Do you have any idea how much fresh water there is? Far more than us humans could ever make use of.

But not in Saudi Arabia for sure

Of course there is nothing underhand here, it is impossible to use salt water because salt will sediment inside tubes and clog them VERY fast.

Phoenix-D · #19 February 11th, 2004, 10:55 PM

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Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:

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Oil we can find ways to live without, fresh-water on the other hand is necessary for life to exist.

Do you have any idea how much fresh water there is? Far more than us humans could ever make use of.

This is very wrong. Fresh water comprises a small fraction of the water available on the planet. You can't drink salt water, some of the 'fresh' water is polluted beyond drinkability, some of it is too deep to access or locked up in inaccessable ice, etc.

All of these can be solved, but doing that takes energy. Quite a lot of it in some cases.

geoschmo · #20 February 11th, 2004, 11:06 PM

Of course water is a renewable resource. We get it back once it takes a trip through the water cycle. So as long as we don't pollute the air too badly, and don't use more fresh water then we get back when it rains, we aren't ever going to run out. There are temporary shortages, and regions that don't have enough. But it's a matter of distribution, not supply. You can't say the same for oil. Regardless of where exactly you believe we are on the oil supply, you must conceed that for practical purposes the supply is finite. The question is are we going to run out before or after we don't need it anymore.

[ February 11, 2004, 21:08: Message edited by: geoschmo ]