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Shrapnel · #31 February 18th, 2004, 06:57 PM

Just in regards to which ships are faster, ST or SW's, I believe the answer would be both...from a certain point of view

When you see the SW's vessels jumping from one side of the galaxy to the other with Hyperdrive engines, you have to admint that the Hyperdrive engine is faster than Warp, considering travelling from one side of the galaxy to the other. ST ships are unable to do this.

That being said, ST ships can travel at warp, and are capable of using warp propulsion even during battle. Thus in real space, ST ships would have a speed and manuverability advantage over SW's vessels, due to ability to reach faster than light speeds locally.

I hope this make sense!

Loser · #32 February 18th, 2004, 07:05 PM

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Originally posted by geoschmo:
Here's a good fan fiction take on the idea of a Federation versus Empire war.

http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/...est/index.html

It's long, but it's a good read.

Nice. I don't usually tolarate fanfic, but that one caught and held my attention.

geoschmo · #33 February 18th, 2004, 07:24 PM

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Originally posted by Shrapnel:
That being said, ST ships can travel at warp, and are capable of using warp propulsion even during battle. Thus in real space, ST ships would have a speed and manuverability advantage over SW's vessels, due to ability to reach faster than light speeds locally.

I'm not sure this would translate to an advantage in combat. ST vessels can engage in combat at warp speed with other vessels going warp speed. I don't remember ever seeing an example of a ship travelling at warp firing on a ship travelling at impulse. There have been a couple examples of ships doing warp manuvers in combat for fractions of a second to suprise an enemy (as in the Picard manuver) but they always make a point of how hard on teh engines this is supposed to be. Only something to be done in cases of extreme emergency. Typically you'd need to match speed with your opponent in order to effectively engage them. Consider how difficult it was for the early jet fighters to engage prop driven enemies in late WWII and Korea. A big speed advantage is great for getting to or away from a fight, but in combat, not so much.

gregebowman · #34 February 18th, 2004, 07:30 PM

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Now, nothing I've read or seen says anything about hypderdrive being faster than a Warp 9 vessel.

The republic at it's height, and the empire after it spanned the galaxy. The federation is a little collection of planets in a small fraction of the Alpha quadrant. Assuming the SW galaxy is roughly the same size as the Milky Way, which we don't really know of course, hyperdrive would have to be orders of magnitude faster then warp drive. Travel between Corsucant and the remotest parts of the galaxy takes weeks. While Voyager was looking at several decades to make it home running flat out at top warp speed.

Looking at it from that angle, I can see your point. But remember, the SW ships have to follow pre-programmed routes, which must have taken hundreds of years to accumulate as the Old Republic was expanding and discovering new systems. On the other hand, the ST ship can go in almost any direction at almost a drop of the hat.

rextorres · #35 February 18th, 2004, 08:27 PM

Hyperdrive seems like the equivalent of transwarp technology employed by the Borg.

narf poit chez BOOM · #36 February 18th, 2004, 10:20 PM

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Personally I'd be putting my money on a Culture GSV or GCU. As well as being veryvery big, insanely fast/ powerful/ well armed and unimaginably clever, they have a wicked sense of humour.

An interesting quote I came across:
"Nahhh, If the Culture is the USA, the Homomdan Empire is the USSR. The Galactic Empire is the mugger on the corner of Fifth and Main and the UFP is the bum he's curb stomping." form http://kier.3dfrontier.com/forums/ar...dex.php/t-8191

i don't know much about them. i only read 1.3 culure novels. could they stack up against DW's planatiod's?

*picks up a mic*

Ladies And Gentlemen, Do We Have A Contender?

Fyron · #37 February 18th, 2004, 10:27 PM

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Originally posted by gregebowman:

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Originally posted by geoschmo:

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Originally posted by gregebowman:
Now, nothing I've read or seen says anything about hypderdrive being faster than a Warp 9 vessel.

The republic at it's height, and the empire after it spanned the galaxy. The federation is a little collection of planets in a small fraction of the Alpha quadrant. Assuming the SW galaxy is roughly the same size as the Milky Way, which we don't really know of course, hyperdrive would have to be orders of magnitude faster then warp drive. Travel between Corsucant and the remotest parts of the galaxy takes weeks. While Voyager was looking at several decades to make it home running flat out at top warp speed.
Looking at it from that angle, I can see your point. But remember, the SW ships have to follow pre-programmed routes, which must have taken hundreds of years to accumulate as the Old Republic was expanding and discovering new systems. On the other hand, the ST ship can go in almost any direction at almost a drop of the hat.

That isn't quite true. Nothing says you can't use a hyperdrive route that is not pre-programmed. It is just dangerous flying through stars and such, so you use a galaxy map to avoid them. ST handles this by saying that ships moving at warp speed just go through everything that is not going at warp speed or some such technobabble.

Suicide Junkie · #38 February 18th, 2004, 10:57 PM

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Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:

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Originally posted by gregebowman:

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Originally posted by geoschmo:

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Originally posted by gregebowman:
Now, nothing I've read or seen says anything about hypderdrive being faster than a Warp 9 vessel.

The republic at it's height, and the empire after it spanned the galaxy. The federation is a little collection of planets in a small fraction of the Alpha quadrant. Assuming the SW galaxy is roughly the same size as the Milky Way, which we don't really know of course, hyperdrive would have to be orders of magnitude faster then warp drive. Travel between Corsucant and the remotest parts of the galaxy takes weeks. While Voyager was looking at several decades to make it home running flat out at top warp speed.
Looking at it from that angle, I can see your point. But remember, the SW ships have to follow pre-programmed routes, which must have taken hundreds of years to accumulate as the Old Republic was expanding and discovering new systems. On the other hand, the ST ship can go in almost any direction at almost a drop of the hat.
That isn't quite true. Nothing says you can't use a hyperdrive route that is not pre-programmed. It is just dangerous flying through stars and such, so you use a galaxy map to avoid them. ST handles this by saying that ships moving at warp speed just go through everything that is not going at warp speed or some such technobabble.

ST has those giant deflector dishes to sweep junk out of the way when travelling real fast. Torpedoes can even be fired at FTL speeds, though energy weapons can't.

gregebowman · #39 February 18th, 2004, 11:10 PM

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Originally posted by narf poit chez BOOM:

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Originally posted by dogscoff:
Personally I'd be putting my money on a Culture GSV or GCU. As well as being veryvery big, insanely fast/ powerful/ well armed and unimaginably clever, they have a wicked sense of humour.

An interesting quote I came across:
"Nahhh, If the Culture is the USA, the Homomdan Empire is the USSR. The Galactic Empire is the mugger on the corner of Fifth and Main and the UFP is the bum he's curb stomping." form http://kier.3dfrontier.com/forums/ar...dex.php/t-8191

i don't know much about them. i only read 1.3 culure novels. could they stack up against DW's planatiod's?

*picks up a mic*

Ladies And Gentlemen, Do We Have A Contender?

Obviously I've missed reading a few books in the past. Who or what is The Culture? Which series can I find it in, and who was the author? I've only got one Honor Harrington book, and I'll wait until I get the whole series before reading that.

narf poit chez BOOM · #40 February 18th, 2004, 11:30 PM

Grege, go to www.baen.com . they've got a websubscription thing where you can get the Honer e-books for like $9-10 canadian, including tax. plus, the first two Honer books are up on their free library, where you can read both books, the whole of both books, for >free<.

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