overpowered satyrs

[Caseus]

Dear Illwinter,

I would like to suggest in the strongest possible terms that Pangaean satyrs are hideously overpowered. One satyr, all by himself, killed my ubergolem.

My ubergolem, if you are wondering, had the Unquenched Sword, Barrier, Spirit Helm, Monolith Armor, Boots of the Planes, Amulet of Antimagic and Pendant of Luck. He had 85 hp, 37 protection, 23 mr.

His first combat against Pangaea went extremely well. He teleported into their army and obliterated the hapless Pangaean units. On his second attack, he ran into The Satyr From Hell.

The battle started out fine...harpies moved in...and died. Then the minotaurs moved in...and died. The remaining forces were routed and ran away.

Then the trap was sprung. A few units, including The Satyr From Hell, stayed on the far side of the battlefield. My ubergolem lumbered across the map, trying to get into lightning bolt range. The Last few units ate lightning bolts... except for this one satyr. My ubergolem moved into range and....

...the battle was over. Satyr wins, ubergolem dies.

At first I assumed my golem was killed by a congenital heart defect. After watching the battle again, I concluded that satyrs have some hitherto unknown superweapon. My golem was deliberately and maliciously lured into range of this superweapon and then annihilated.

So please, Illwinter, tame the mighty satyr before other would-be supercombatants fall to their mighty hoofs.


Caseus

[Gandalf Parker]

Did you save the game off to the side so Illwinter (and others) can check it?

Did your golem fatigue himself running across the battlefield to the point that he just stood there and got hit?

[Graeme Dice]

It's also entirely possible that the open ended damage roll simply got very large.

[Caseus]

I didn't save it, but I should be able to recreate it

Jokes aside, the satyr didn't kill my golem. And the golem had no fatigue. Barrier prevents him from being affected by the Unquenched Sword.

I'm guessing it was a timeout issue. I placed the golem at the far left of the map. He took forever to get across the battlefield. Several units never retreated like they should have -- they stood there at the edge of the map, unmoving, while the "forces of Pangaea have been routed" message appeared over and over.

Assuming battles Last a fixed amount of turns, when the time limit was reached all units retreat. Since the golem can't retreat he died.

I'll try to recreate what happened.


Caseus

[Graeme Dice]

Originally posted by Caseus:
Jokes aside, the satyr didn't kill my golem. And the golem had no fatigue. Barrier prevents him from being affected by the Unquenched Sword.

Was it a Satyr Reveler? If it's berserk then it won't rout even after the rest of the army has gone.

[LordArioch]

That could be it actually, there's a turn limit at which the attacker is forced to retreat, and a couple turns afterwards all attacking units are killed if they haven't left yet. Golem's dont retreat under these circumstances, but just die. I lost some perfectly good snake bladder stick + Golem combos to this, and I'd bet it's what happened to you.
Next time give him some winged boots. If its a astral golem he can just teleport anyway with +1 astral starshine skullcap, so you dont need the boots. And the lightning bolts arent really needed with that lumbering monstrosity with the unquenched sword.

I didn't count exactly but I recreated your experiance using a golem (to see if it was inherently a golem) and the equipment provided (interesting) and placed a variety of units on that same command structure as well as having a caster chain fatigue himself out without troops.

Someone with some paitence could try to find the exact limit with testing phases, easiest way to do this is to have an army on 1 side with 1 Master of the Dead, 1 other Commander with "Hold, Hold, Hold, Hold, Hold, Retreat" with 1 unit on guard commander and one on the other side with 1 Priest.

Set them as far apart as possible.

Only research 1 level in Enchantment and as many in construction that you can get some protection items (You don't want these panzies to die)

Put a decent reinvigoration item, or 2 on the Master of the Dead so he can cast every turn without getting in the hole with fatigue. (You can use any mage that can cast undead; but don't research and watch out for national spells they will taint the test)

Set the orders of the Master of the Dead to "Raise Skeleton, Raise Skeleton, Raise Skeleton, Raise Skeleton, Cast Spells" and the Priest to "Banishment, Banishment, Banishment, Banishment, Banishment, Cast Spells"

First turn the Priest will cast Blessing because he can't banish but from that point on they will just stand there, the Master of the Dead summoning and the priest (with protection items) banishing them.

Start counting the rounds after the "other commander" retreats.

Or what would be great would be for someone who knows to post it

[Caseus]

I have an example for those who want it. My email address is caseus_lot@hotmail.com.


The golem's fatigue was at 95, he was trying to hunt down the Last unit who was not retreating (fatigue was > 100, maybe he couldn't), and I got the message "the armies of Vanheim have been routed".

Gotta be a time limit.

[Caseus]

The boots are for strategic movement and the helm is to maximize casualties.

The strategy is this: every turn the golem teleports to the largest concentration of enemy troops. He starts at the far left of the battlefield. The enemy charges in while the Unquenched Sword works its magic and the Spirit Helm fires away. When the troops retreat, the SH continues to chew them up. Because the golem is at the far left, the enemy has longer to go to retreat, thus more casualties.

He worked amazingly well in Dom1. I could routinely get 100 kills a turn with him. If he gets nasty afflictions, I just summon another golem, transfer the items and keep going.

With Dom2, I'm going to have to park him near the front of the battlefield since some troops don't seem to retreat.


Caseus

[ywl]

Originally posted by Caseus:
The boots are for strategic movement and the helm is to maximize casualties.

The strategy is this: every turn the golem teleports to the largest concentration of enemy troops. He starts at the far left of the battlefield. The enemy charges in while the Unquenched Sword works its magic and the Spirit Helm fires away. When the troops retreat, the SH continues to chew them up. Because the golem is at the far left, the enemy has longer to go to retreat, thus more casualties.

He worked amazingly well in Dom1. I could routinely get 100 kills a turn with him. If he gets nasty afflictions, I just summon another golem, transfer the items and keep going.

With Dom2, I'm going to have to park him near the front of the battlefield since some troops don't seem to retreat.


Caseus

That's what the much hated Magic Duel is for - to kill these Golems.