Two questions on preaching

[onomastikon]

Grr ok ... darn, I sort of *liked* the way Gen Tacticus explained it and felt I could deal with that. Anyone know how it works / how do you know Gen Tact isnt right?

I didnt realize sneaky searches would be hard to implement; wouldnt it be kind of easy for you to know "found site in XYZ" but the current owner wouldnt get that message and no one would get the gems?

[General Tacticus]

Oh, I'm sure he's right : he's one of the developpers of the game

And he looks grumpy!

[onomastikon]

J ostermann, you are / were on the dev team? wow ok thanks. So how can one go about figuring out how preaching works, or just sort of "ungefähr" how it works (um... "sort of" how it works, without the exact numbbers, but maybe just saying what factors x and y stand for?)

[johan osterman]

Originally posted by onomastikon:
J ostermann, you are / were on the dev team? wow ok thanks. So how can one go about figuring out how preaching works, or just sort of "ungefähr" how it works (um... "sort of" how it works, without the exact numbbers, but maybe just saying what factors x and y stand for?)

Well, kind of, most of the actual work is done by Kristoofer or Johan K. I do a little stuff occassionally though.

X is a value, 10 20 or 30 I think, y is a value, 20 or 30 IIRC.

[mivayan]

In enemy dominion: (priest lvl)*20-(enemy dom)*5%
Inquisitors priest lvl count double in enemy dominion.

So a ulm priest(default theme, lvl2 holy) preaching in -10 dominion has 2*20- 10*5 = -10 % chance of making a difference. no chance at all.

An iron faith priest (lvl3 priest, bonus praying in hostile dominion) would have 3*20*2 - 10*5 = 70% chance.

In -6 dominion the odds are 10% vs 90%.

In friendly dominion the odds are 40% vs 60.

All assuming iron faith priests gets the same bonus as marignon does.

Very interesting stuff.

[Silicor]

How would this work with multiple generic lvl 2 priests. Is each one handled individually, which would still not give them a chance in an enemy province or do the work together to get a better chance?

[Arryn]

Perhaps, with some future patch/mod, we can get priestly communion. Heck, religious communion should have been in the game from the start if there is wizardly communion.

[PvK]

I assume the preaching effects would be resolved in sequence, like other things seperate commanders do. That combined effect would already be pretty good.

There is something I don't quite understand going on with the effect of enemy dominion, though. I notice that provinces near enemy dominion have a lower level that "can't be raised any higher by preaching". My guess has been that every nation can have dominion in every province, and they subtract from each other somehow, in a slow process from turn to turn, and that dominion also slowly spreads from province to province. I don't particularly want to know all the details, since it is fun just seeing it be a bit unpredictable, but has someone explained how the dominions interact somewhere? Just curious.

PvK

[HJ]

Originally posted by PvK:
I don't particularly want to know all the details, since it is fun just seeing it be a bit unpredictable, but has someone explained how the dominions interact somewhere? Just curious.

PvK

There was a discussion about this a while back, but I don't think it was explained in great detail. The thread is here, it might give you some further info:
http://www.shrapnelgames.com/cgi-bin...4;t=000300;p=2

I am still a bit concerned with Fires of Faith Marignon and their insane dominion values. I gave up in one game I was playing against them, but their dominion at that point was at (-)19, meaning not even my lizard kings would be able to do anything about it. It's interesting to fight them, since you can't use either your god or your prophet really, but this also means that there is no way you can lower their dominion through preaching. A fun feature, but kinda worrysome when you think about it.

[ January 19, 2004, 07:20: Message edited by: HJ ]