Newbie Question about startegies

[liga]

Hi all ... some question about strategies:

1) Which strategies I have to give to a transport with staellite launcher and satellite in cargo to make him deploy the sat during the combat ?

2) How can I set the leader for a fleet in the simulator ?

3) I tried to make a fleet with a reverse V formation (I don't remember the exact name) with a LC with only missile as leader and 4 DD with only Cannon in the fleet ... there was also an unarmed ship with repair component in the fleet ... the strategies was "Maximal Firing range" but my fleet has had a silly behaviour. I attacked a sector with 4 sergetti's DD and 1 LC (not in a fleet) giving the order to attack the LC ... I was really stronger then them but my fleet behave like "rabbit" and split in two part tring to flee in the corner and without tring to fire to the Sergetti ... they bLast all my ships! damn!@#@#@ ... what was wrong ?

thank you anyway
Liga

[capnq]

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3) I tried to make a fleet with a reverse V formation (I don't remember the exact name) with a LC with only missile as leader and 4 DD with only Cannon in the fleet ... there was also an unarmed ship with repair component in the fleet ... the strategies was "Maximal Firing range" but my fleet has had a silly behaviour. I attacked a sector with 4 sergetti's DD and 1 LC (not in a fleet) giving the order to attack the LC ... I was really stronger then them but my fleet behave like "rabbit" and split in two part tring to flee in the corner and without tring to fire to the Sergetti ... they bLast all my ships! damn!@#@#@ ... what was wrong ?

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I've run into this myself, trying to attack unarmed colony ships. My problem turned out to be that under Strategies/Firing, they were marked "Do not attack". Try checking for anything odd in in those settings.


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Cap'n Q


The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the
human mind to correlate all of its contents. We live on a placid
island of ignorance in the midst of black seas of infinity, and it was
not meant that we should go far. -- HP Lovecraft

I also have a problem with fleets in tactical. My (retrofitted transport)light cruiser missile ships come too close to beam ships then as they retreat after firing the followers stay in beam range instead of just backing up. So I cleared all group assignments and manually moved every ship every turn, which is a pain but results in no damaged ships till you hit the wall.

Also orders resolve combat does not work well on missile ships mopping up ships which have no weapons and are retreating. The problem is they fire at extreme range and as the enemy moves he gets out of missile range. Once again the solution is manually moving though I suppose changing from optimal to point blank would help. I did not want to take the chance of getting rammed by cruisers though...

[DirectorTsaarx]

Mixed fleets (i.e., both missile & beam ships in fleet) have problems with ALL strategies. Basically, if a missile ship is designated leader, the beam ships will sometimes never get in range, as the missile-armed leader gets to missile range, launches, then retreats for two turns. If a beam ship is leader, the missile ships stay in range during their two reload turns. The fix would be allowing all ships to break formation, but that leads to other silliness.

[Suicide Junkie]

The obvious solution is to split your ships into two fleets, and just fly them around together using the Shift-Select method.

[geoschmo]

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Originally posted by suicide_junkie:
The obvious solution is to split your ships into two fleets, and just fly them around together using the Shift-Select method.

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It would be nice if we had a "Group Fleet" or "Task Force" option. Maybe someone could recommend that to Aaron.

Geo

[mac5732]

Your best bet would be to use the tactical combat. Use the formation until you get close to the enemy ships, 1-2 hexs from maximum range and then go to manual and clear all orders. This way you can move whatever ships you want to where you want them. This is usually for a mix weapon fleet.
Takes longer but will get your results other then splitting to the cornors. Or like was previously posted, use 2 fleets, but I recommend mixed weapon fleets, this is only my preference.

just some ideas mac

[Prostetnic Vogon Jeltz]

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Originally posted by suicide_junkie:
The obvious solution is to split your ships into two fleets, and just fly them around together using the Shift-Select method.

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Shift-select is fraught with "features".

E.g. Try shift-select instructing a stack of ships/fleets to travel more than one turn's distance. The stack will use up their (lowest common denominator) number of steps moving en masse. Then at the start of your next turn the computer will move elements of your fleet one ship or fleet at a time. Depending on your empire option settings, you can lose the whole stack to an enemy fleet or minefield.

I've been much more circumspect in my use of shift-select since upgrading to 1.35 so I'm not sure whether this is still the case.

Another funny (which I haven't seen for a while) was the random walk bug. Each element of a stack would in turn take the same random zig-zag walk around the system when (a) the stack contained many ships, (b) the stack had recently encountered a minefield on a warp point.

(It may be that the bug is still there but I haven't been at the 100 ship fleet stage of a game recently.)


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[capnq]

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Your best bet would be to use the tactical combat.

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I prefer tactical, myself, but you can't use it in PBEM games, so you have to learn strategic to play that way.

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Cap'n Q


The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the
human mind to correlate all of its contents. We live on a placid
island of ignorance in the midst of black seas of infinity, and it was
not meant that we should go far. -- HP Lovecraft

[liga]

Yes, but I want to learn strategic because I think it is a really good section of the game. But I'm not able to do some things with the simulator (1 and 2 in my original posting) ... I'll try again this night

thank you
bye bye
Liga