Dammit

[magnate]

Arryn said:

Dom 2 is not "underated". It received glowing reviews from both CG and CGW magazines (which was what prompted me to check out the demo). The only thing "underated" about Dom 2 is the lack of appreciation the devs get for a game they basically did/do in their spare time.

Woah - while not wishing to assist you in hijacking this thread, I can't help but ask, what lack of appreciation? I think Dom2 is the most awesome game I've ever played, the only worthy successor to MoM, right up there with Civ1 and Elite etc. etc. etc., and I'm fairly sure thousands of other people do too, judging by this board alone.

The fact that people gripe about bugs or features they don't like does not, I hope, count as failing to appreciate IW's achievement. If you believe in the power of word of mouth (look at GalCiv), they're not underrated at all. Then there's the glowing reviews. Is there some sort of medal or award they missed out on??

Arryn said:

There are hordes of games that are popular and are still crap. Deus Ex:IW is a perfect example. Scratch beneath the pretty graphics of Doom 3 and what do you find? A crappy game. Popularity has nothing to do with quality. Though quality sometimes helps spur popularity.

Er, yeah. There are also some hugely popular games that are very good indeed. This argument isn't getting either of you anywhere.

CC

[Arryn]

magnate said:
P.S. I loved the flying mammoth story - did anyone else think "NOBODY expects the flying mammoth ..."?

Of course. Flying pachyderms. Can you just picture a castle bracing for an attack. The guard commander tells his lookouts to watch for huge hairy flying beasts. One guard turns to another and whispers,

"What's Sir Justin been drinkin' tonight?" to which the other replies,
"Dunno, but them nobles never share the good stuff. Ain't fair."
"Bah. Flying elephants. Next, he'll have us on the lookout for walking sharks and dancing trees."
"Ain't natural. Damn wizards."

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[Arryn]

magnate said:
Er, yeah. There are also some hugely popular games that are very good indeed.

Such as KoTOR.

magnate said:
This argument isn't getting either of you anywhere.

Indeed. Since when did that ever stop anyone?

[Pickles]

Arryn said:
It is perfectly valid to judge a game based on its SP value, alone.

It is, but the games are fundamentally different - both Dom2 & WarcraftIII are better MP (going from dire to excellent in both cases).

Your analysis of Warcraft (more or bigger sticks) just does not sound like the Warcraft I played where you want the right stick for the job.

Arryn said:
It is perfectly valid to judge a game based on its SP value, alone. The majority of computer game players play only in SP.

Computer games are like sex, even when you are playing SP you are thinking about MP.

Pickles

[deccan]

Arryn said:
Such as KoTOR.

Yeah, that was one cool game. Hear about "Jade Empire" yet?

[Pickles]

Someone lost in nested quotes said
"The only thing "underated" about Dom 2 is the lack of
appreciation the devs get for a game they basically did/do in their spare time."

The fact that it was done in their spare time does not make it a better game. Neither does it make the horrible faults (OK the message system) go away. It does make me more ready to accept the problems but only because the core game is so very good.

Plus I agree it is tiring that so many people seem to reject things on the grounds that they are popular. I am sure that here it is mostly due to differing tastes not prejudice though.
Whats KoTOR? Oh knights of the old republic - that was good but not great in the BGII way.

Pickles

[Arryn]

Pickles said:
Computer games are like sex, even when you are playing SP you are thinking about MP.

A stereotypical male fantasy. It's particularly rampant amongst those that are relationship-challenged and spend too much time in auto-erotic endeavors.

Quality is more important than quantity. It applies to both sex and computer games, though it's especially true for sex. You'll grow to appreciate this fact as you get older and (hopefully) wiser. If you happen to have a girlfriend (most hardcore gamers barely understand the concept of there being another sex), ask her if she agrees. And listen to the answer. You might just learn something.

[Arryn]

deccan said:
Yeah, that was one cool game. Hear about "Jade Empire" yet?

Yes. I'm a big fan of BioWare. However, their upcoming game I'm most excited about is ... KoTOR 2. But I have no doubt that I'll be getting JE sometime next year. My favorite game genre is RPGs. I'm anxiously waiting on Call of C. (due out next week) and Vampire:Bloodlines (in about 2 months).

And this week's award for humourless and patronising post goes to...

[Pickles]

Arryn said:
Computer games are like sex, even when you are playing SP you are thinking about MP.

A stereotypical male fantasy. It's particularly rampant amongst those that are relationship-challenged and spend too much time in auto-erotic endeavors.


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I am not sure you really mean that. You are saying that when men are "perpetrating the sin of Onan" they are NOT thinking about having sex with someone else? How do you know? - I have good reason to believe that in the case of at least one man this is not true. You are also implying that women think differently & have different auto erotic fantasies, about what one wonders? Hmm getting far OT here.

My apologies if you are not a native speaker but you appear to have completely reversed the logic of what I said plus missed the fact that is was, above all, a joke.

Pickles

PS Who is making the CoC computer game.
PPS In the absence of Norfleet it important to maintain some personal animosities, a task which Arryn & I seem to have taken on ourselves