Dammit

[magnate]

Yeah, not that this thread was originally about anything important, you understand.

[Arryn]

Pickles said:
You are also implying that women think differently & have different auto erotic fantasies,

As a general rule (FWIW), yes we do.

Pickles said:
about what one wonders?

Wonder all you want ...

Pickles said:
Hmm getting far OT here.

Indeed.

Pickles said:
PS Who is making the CoC computer game.

Headfirst. Bethesda (of Morrowind fame) is the publisher. The game's web page can be found here .

EDIT: the game's been delayed to Feb. of next year, dammit.

Pickles said:
PPS In the absence of Norfleet it important to maintain some personal animosities, a task which Arryn & I seem to have taken on ourselves

Nope. Graeme beat you to it many months ago. It's been a well-established fact that we mutually despise one another. (Ditto NTJedi.) While GD and I have been civil to one another recently (more a case of just ignoring each other), I'm sure it's merely a temporary abberation and things will return to their normal, heated level, eventually. Well, either heated, or half-baked. It's hard to tell at times.

So, you have a long, long ways to go before you achieve a level of animus that will place you in the exalted ranks of Norfleet et. al.

[Arryn]

magnate said:
Yeah, not that this thread was originally about anything important, you understand.

Actually, it wasn't. The topic has been beaten to death (and beyond) over the past 6-8 months. There have been oodles of threads on it. (Do a search and see for yourself.) The devs have, repeatedly, said they don't see anything amiss with the system as is, and the majority of players agree with them. People whining about the subject once or twice a month has achieved, and will achieve, nothing. Well, nothing other than annoying the devs and those who don't feel that the system is broken.

[Boron]

Arryn said:

You, too, are making bad assumptions. It is perfectly valid to judge a game based on its SP value, alone. The majority of computer game players play only in SP. You may not like to admit it, but MP players are a minority, albeit a large and disproportionately vocal one. There are plenty of games that are good in SP and great in MP (such as Diablo 2, Call of Duty, Dom 2, just to name three) that I needn't waste time with those that suck in SP and *might* be better than sucky in MP.

warcraft 3 was the biggest disappointment i ever had with a game .
i were a REALLY HUGE fan of blizzard until warcraft 3.
i loved starcraft and diablo 2 .
but warcraft is not a strategygame but a tactical game which is quite brainless .
the SP campaign is actually somewhat entertaining but warcraft 3 multiplay is so stuid + brainless .

your 90 population limit + the heros ruin the game completely .
resourcemanagement is totally unimportant you just need to make 1-2 heros + 10 of the cheapest troops and then kill all monsters for gold + levels and kill the enemy .

you have a real lack of strategies there . just RUSH,RUSH,RUSH .

with 90 population you never have more than about 20-30 soldiers .
and normally you only go to 70 population because the resourcemalus 70% to 40% is not worth the 20 extra population .

so the game is just based around rush + your hero(s) .

a big step backwards compared to starcraft .
furthermore it is completely baffling to me that even in warcraft 3 you can't group more than 12 units in one group ( you don't need it there though ) .

in starcraft every unit had its use and the 200 supply limit was ok . there you could e.g. make a zealots rush , or tech to templers / air force etc.
you could either focus on micro or on macro .
both strats were viable .

in warcraft 3 it is reduced to hero micro .

ok enough complaining about warcraft 3

in dominions the rout system as it is is perfect.

otherwise i would not build any armies at ALL and just mages + scs .
would be very boring .
this way i have to decide either using 1 sc or using an army + mages . each kind of army has its advantages and disadvantages .

if commanders wouldn't autorout there would really be for 90% of the nations NO need for any armies anymore .

[Arryn]

Boron said:
warcraft 3 was the biggest disappointment i ever had with a game.

That dubious honor, for me, is reserved for MOO3. MOO3 gets [img]/threads/images/Graemlins/icon37.gif[/img][img]/threads/images/Graemlins/icon37.gif[/img][img]/threads/images/Graemlins/icon37.gif[/img][img]/threads/images/Graemlins/icon37.gif[/img][img]/threads/images/Graemlins/icon37.gif[/img]

Other notable lemon awards for recent, disappointing, highly-hyped games go to:

Beyond Divinity - [img]/threads/images/Graemlins/icon37.gif[/img][img]/threads/images/Graemlins/icon37.gif[/img][img]/threads/images/Graemlins/icon37.gif[/img][img]/threads/images/Graemlins/icon37.gif[/img]
Chrome - [img]/threads/images/Graemlins/icon37.gif[/img][img]/threads/images/Graemlins/icon37.gif[/img][img]/threads/images/Graemlins/icon37.gif[/img][img]/threads/images/Graemlins/icon37.gif[/img]
Lionheart - [img]/threads/images/Graemlins/icon37.gif[/img][img]/threads/images/Graemlins/icon37.gif[/img][img]/threads/images/Graemlins/icon37.gif[/img][img]/threads/images/Graemlins/icon37.gif[/img]
JA2:Wildfire - [img]/threads/images/Graemlins/icon37.gif[/img][img]/threads/images/Graemlins/icon37.gif[/img][img]/threads/images/Graemlins/icon37.gif[/img][img]/threads/images/Graemlins/icon37.gif[/img]

Deus Ex: IW - [img]/threads/images/Graemlins/icon37.gif[/img][img]/threads/images/Graemlins/icon37.gif[/img][img]/threads/images/Graemlins/icon37.gif[/img]
Victoria - [img]/threads/images/Graemlins/icon37.gif[/img][img]/threads/images/Graemlins/icon37.gif[/img][img]/threads/images/Graemlins/icon37.gif[/img]

But WC3 does earn [img]/threads/images/Graemlins/icon37.gif[/img][img]/threads/images/Graemlins/icon37.gif[/img][img]/threads/images/Graemlins/icon37.gif[/img][img]/threads/images/Graemlins/icon37.gif[/img]

[magnate]

Arryn said:

Actually, it wasn't. The topic has been beaten to death (and beyond) over the past 6-8 months. There have been oodles of threads on it. (Do a search and see for yourself.) The devs have, repeatedly, said they don't see anything amiss with the system as is, and the majority of players agree with them. People whining about the subject once or twice a month has achieved, and will achieve, nothing. Well, nothing other than annoying the devs and those who don't feel that the system is broken.

Blimey Arryn, don't you have a sense of humour? Or are you just so stupid that you need everything spelt out with an icon?

"Whining about the subject", if it continues to explore other options and pros and cons, will eventually lead to the game becoming even better, which is what everybody wants. It is supremely arrogant of you to consider the subject closed simply because a majority agrees with you.

CC

[Gandalf Parker]

magnate said:

Blimey Arryn, don't you have a sense of humour? Or are you just so stupid that you need everything spelt out with an icon?

"Whining about the subject", if it continues to explore other options and pros and cons, will eventually lead to the game becoming even better, which is what everybody wants. It is supremely arrogant of you to consider the subject closed simply because a majority agrees with you.

CC

Ive scrolled back a page full of Posts and couldnt quite pin down what it WAS that anyone was "whining" about. This thread is in danger.

[Arryn]

magnate said:
Or are you just so stupid that you need everything spelt out with an icon?

It is "supremely arrogant" of you to assume that anyone who disagrees with you is "stupid". It's also childish of you to resort to name-calling in order to make your point.

magnate said:
It is supremely arrogant of you to consider the subject closed simply because a majority agrees with you.

I never said it was closed. I *implied* that it's a waste of time. A distinction that you don't seem able to grasp. Perhaps if you'd ceased ranting at me long enough to actually read what I wrote, you wouldn't have missed that small, yet important detail.

[Boron]

Arryn said:
JA2:Wildfire - [img]/threads/images/Graemlins/icon37.gif[/img][img]/threads/images/Graemlins/icon37.gif[/img][img]/threads/images/Graemlins/icon37.gif[/img][img]/threads/images/Graemlins/icon37.gif[/img]
Victoria - [img]/threads/images/Graemlins/icon37.gif[/img][img]/threads/images/Graemlins/icon37.gif[/img][img]/threads/images/Graemlins/icon37.gif[/img]

oh what is ja2 : wildfire ?
i loved basic jagged alliance 2 and i even bought 1 expansion disk for it which was not too good but i don't remember the name .

what do you not like with victoria ?
i like paradox games but since i discovered dominions they now seem so inferior

i personally like victoria basically and think it is good but the revolution system is very unpleasant there and stopped me from playing it more .
conquering china is a nightmare
each day lots of revolutions for 10 or 20 years until nationalism is gone
1 division in each province is enough to kill all rebels but with the size of china that are 200+ divisions which are not so easy to achieve in victoria .

eu 2 is a really nice game but too simple and gets boring once you have 100+ provinces .

hoi is great but after researching all techs it becomes boring too and with the stupid convoy / supply system world conquest is hard work there not really enjoyable too .
it is easy but hard / unpleasant work

victoria has enough complexity but the revolution system is just stupid there with daily revolutions .


i am really looking forward to hoi 2 though because i hope it combines all strength of the paradox games .
a victoria without revolutions but dissent like in hoi i would really enjoy

hoi 2 seems to become a good combo of hoi + victoria

[Boron]

p.s.

arryn how long did you play eu 2 , hoi , victoria ?
have you ever finished a wc in any of those 3 ?

i was always bored before i reached that . in hoi i stopped as germany after russia + britain were dead and the usa had no airforce left and was ripe to invasion .
in eu 2 i always stopped after controlling about 150 provinces ( about 2/3 of europe ) because i saw no further challenge .

victoria i haven't played so much because shortly after getting victoria i discovered dominons