obat66 Sweden

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This thread was started to collect changes needed in the Swedish SPMBT Obat 66.
Please post your suggestions and mofications.

I will try to change as many of these things myself but I would really like to share the burden with some other interested party.


Strf90(CV9040)
I belive that the sound is wrong for the 40mm Bofors AC. The animation shows a burst salvo but the the sound is just a single fired round.


SSG AMOS DF
...is in the Swedish Army called SSG-120. It is a twin barreled 120mm armoured mortar system, not an assaulgun as it is stated in SPMBT. The unit shold therefor be able to conduct indirect fire missions like any other mortar. A single SSG can fire 14 mortar rounds at the same target and get a simultanious impact at ranges of 10km so it should be modelled as rather effective.


The pictures
A major overhaul is also needed with the pictures concerning the Swedish units. It looks rather good up to the early 80´s then the pictures seem to stay the same. Mechinf (called Arm inf?) have a Bpv501(BMP1) in their picture for example. A quite odd selection of picture that seem to represent all Swedish soldier units until the end of time 2020

[PlasmaKrab]

SSG AMOS DF

Here DF means "direct fire". This is a version dedicated to direct fire only for orbat and gameplay purposes.
Look at unit 433 and you'll find the SP mortar one.

You have the same for the Russian 2B9 Vasilek auto mortar. Don't ask me why...

Additionnaly, both formations 215 and 250 using this DF AMOS are exactly identical. Why so?

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PlasmaKrab said:
Additionnaly, both formations 215 and 250 using this DF AMOS are exactly identical. Why so?

Dont have clue, and you are only able to choose one of them in purchase.

[wulfir]

Pergite said:
I will try to change as many of these things myself but I would really like to share the burden with some other interested party.

I'd be glad to help out!

I have access to info on some of the older type army formations, including a complete breakdown of the Brigade 77 organisation, the Arctic company and a few others. Modern organistion etc is to some extent availiable through official stuff at mil.se (if you can read Swedish that is).

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wulfir said:

I'd be glad to help out!

I have access to info on some of the older type army formations, including a complete breakdown of the Brigade 77 organisation, the Arctic company and a few others. Modern organistion etc is to some extent availiable through official stuff at mil.se (if you can read Swedish that is).

Great! And yes I can understand Swedish fluently and have somewhat of a grip on the modern stuff as well as the near future. I have begun collecting pictures to update the obat with. The HQ unit for example looks like its even "pre-repmånad" if you understand what I mean.
The problem with picures is that its wrong(illegal) to use them without permission. I dont know how they have handeld it with the picures allready in the game.

[wulfir]

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The HQ unit for example looks like its even "pre-repmånad" if you understand what I mean.

Certainly.Larsson kan inte reglementet!

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wulfir said:

Certainly.Larsson kan inte reglementet!

Ah yes, the Swedish equivalent of "Top Gun" and "Black Hawk down", put together in one brillian movie.

[JohnT]

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The problem with pictures is that its wrong(illegal) to use them without permission. I dont know how they have handeld it with the picures allready in the game.

Some of the pic's are old, from the original SP2 mod. I tried to use public documents or got permission( Airforce museeum, SPHF and KÖMS)

And with an armed forces public relations department who believes professionalism means making money rather than further public relations one should be wary.
(They already sued one private museum)

As I was told, photos from official documents/books without a specific copyright or noted cameraman are considered to be public.
The resoning is that he who took the photo was employed by the armed forces and it was part of his job to photo. When a photographers is mentioned,
he owns the artistic rights for a long time (70? years)

The sad thing is that you can't find non copyrighted photos in modern manuals.
(I was tempted to use some of the Straw-men used in manuals from 50-60ies but refrained)


And I'm very pleased if any one cares to update OB66 past 2000


Cheers
/John T.

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JohnT said:

And I'm very pleased if any one cares to update OB66 past 2000

Of course we will!
The pictures really are a hot issue. I will try to contact some friends and get their photographs of different units.

If the military wont give permission then why not try the arms dealers? They have alot of comercial material that they spread around so maybe they wouldnt mind giving some of it our way, or have you tried that? We are allready using their products so why not credit them with proper pictures as well?
Saab Dynamics, Bofors Defence, Patria, Alvis Hägglunds... what else do we got?

[wulfir]

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... what else do we got?

IIRC some of the pictures in the game are credited to Föreningen P5-

http://www.foreningenp5.com/sv/index.shtml

Since they are open during the summer and I'm on vacation I could easily head there (don't live far from Boden) and beg for some stuff... and maybe put my digital camera to good use.

But I think we need to make a list of priority stuff... not sure AFV photos are such a pressing need...


Also, how many pictures can be added to the game...?