Newbie Game EA (Running) - Page 29

Foodstamp · #**281** November 15th, 2006, 06:32 PM

WszaboPeter, You offered peace and trade and attacked me the next turn. Obviously, being drunk with power has blurred your perception of what peace is.

Your offer of peace was declined because we don't consider steps towards peace to include taking the province next to our capital, even after we ceased to attack you and ALLOWED your troops completely surrounded to find a way out of that situation.

As I have said before, you chose a cheeseball way to play this game, just like vanheim did (Versus noobies no less), and I am not going to flatter your ego with negotiations. You opted out of the diplomacy part of the game whenever you chose an overpowered strategy.

So sit back and talk about crushing people and being powerful. We both know it is a hollow victory, about as hollow as both of you guys ganging up on ermor.

As far as the gem trade goes, don't lie, we traded you 1 to 1. It would have been 50 for 50 if you were not blazing a trail into Pangaea lands. Instead, because of YOUR lack of diplomacy, you get 25 for the 25 you sent us.

You can try to discredit me all you want, but ALL of the nations that have dealt with me know I deal on an honorable basis.

If Neifelheim wants peace, it is very simple, they must move back to the southern continent. The place that I told you I would not venture into as part of our peace.

Foodstamp · #**282** November 15th, 2006, 06:49 PM

Neifelheim,

I am truly embarrassed for you. I cannot believe the lows you are having to stoop to, just to beat my nation which you said you could do alone without any problem.

Wiping out Ermor in such a manner was not boring enough for the two of you?

Well if you must bring your girlfriend (Vanheim) to the dance, then so be it.

WSzaboPeter · #**283** November 15th, 2006, 07:33 PM

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Foodstamp said:
You offered peace and trade and attacked me the next turn.

Since you did not accepted the peace. If you don't accept the peace, that means the very fact that you wish war. And if you wish war I went with the war as far as near as the province next to your capital, and I took it. Next turn I may siege it. Then perhaps you will listen to the words of wisdom. If not, then you will suffer Ermor's fate. Then again: Why do you insist fighting wars you can't win? I offered peace, and asked nothing in exchange, and the situation was absolutelly at my favour. I could have asked gold or gems or provinces, but I asked nothing. I offered the peace simply to show my goodwill and fairness in a war started by you.

Sheap · #**284** November 15th, 2006, 08:01 PM

The more players in the game, the smaller the map has to be relative to the number of players. You have to accept that several of the players will be eliminated before the game gets to the end phase and the game should be sized so that there are enough provinces for the remaining players. Otherwise, the game is too big and bogs down toward the end as there are just too many provinces and things going on to deal with efficiently.

Sheap · #**285** November 15th, 2006, 08:13 PM

To the nation of Niefelheim:
R'lyeh is a peace-loving nation bearing you no ill will. We have no interest in the military affairs going on in the lands east of our aquatic realm and, as long as you do not attack our holdings, we are happy to accept a peace and trade arrangement.

-- Sheap-Niggurath

Foodstamp · #**286** November 15th, 2006, 08:38 PM

We accepted your peace, even to the point that we were initiating trade with you. Although it was roleplaying, I said I was not going to attack Neifelheim again. You made out like you wanted peace and you know very well I accepted it, then you realized... LAWLZ, I GOT 30 GIANTS AT HIS BORDER, TO HECK WITH PEACE, WE WILL SAY HE LIED ABOUT TRADING AND WANTS TO WARZ LAWLZ.

It's one thing to roleplay, it's another to try to spin a person's OOC actions. This is just a game, so I refuse to criticize your character, but please quit trying to discredit the OOC player by saying I told you this, and then did that.

Here is the bottom line as displayed by your actions...

You are open to peace and negotiations until you realize you can take people's provinces, then all that you have said is void.

You spin it with the other players by saying "He did this, he did that".

To ensure that the 1% chance that you could lose does not happen, you hold hands with vanheim.

The above is your playstyle in a nutshell.

Now so the players do not have to go through the posts to see what I am talking about...

I said:

To the peoples of Neifelheim,

A battle to the south of the Kingdom of Pangaea was fought, and it is worth noting that this battle has made us a stronger kingdom although many centaur were lost. The battle prowess of the giants is simply incredible, and although their numbers were drastically depleted, we will not be invading the old Ermor lands again. These wounded Giants will be allowed to return home to their Mountain Kingdom if they can find a way through the surrounding Vanheim lands. This Decision has been made by the Centaur Cohort of Pangaea, and the Pan will not go against us on this for they respect our decisions most of all in times of war.

Amphious, Heirophant and Cohort leader.

You said:

I think the last events that lead to the attack of my port by the Kingdom of Pangaea from an another continent where part of a missunderstanding. I state again to the world and to the panii, that I do NOT wish war with them. "My numbers were drastically depleted", as Pangaea's king (or thane or warchief or despot... ) said earlier. I bring the world of peace to their capital with 3 chosen priests (who made their name know in the field of negociations and peace making). Their escort will consist only a few servants, not more then a few giants and a handfull amazon horseman to lead the way in the lands, since my giants tend to loose the road in those lands. I hope you will not attack them, and our peace negotiations can start.

Then in a private message that I will not repeat here, we initiated a trade agreement.

Then the very next turn you attacked me, and brought a friend to ensure victory.

So cut the crap and lets get this over with. Try to keep the rest of the spin and discrediting in character, which I absolutely don't mind.

If you want peace like you say you do, I will reiterate, remove your forces from Pangaea lands. If you do not want peace, keep your diplomacy in character to the rest of the players, not OOC lies.

We have already offered you peace, and we even thought we were at peace until you realized what kind of military advantage you had.

RamsHead · #**287** November 15th, 2006, 10:19 PM

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FrankTrollman said:

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I must point out that I, as Helheim, have not used a dual bless strategy unlike *cough T'ien Ch'i and *cough Ulm who are *cough allies *cough. Excuse me, I seem to have a tickle.

We have a what? You've seen our troops, and we've seen yours. Your units have a larger bless bonus in two categories than ours...

-Finger Pointing is Hilarious

First off, you are right, you do not have a dual bless. I am in another EA game against T'ien Ch'i, and their sacreds do have the 9f9w bless. So I got confused. It was an honest mistake, and I apologize.

As far as finger pointing goes, if you would bother to pay attention, several here have talked about the Heims uberblessed units. While Helheim was not specifically mentioned, it was not discounted either. I felt I had a right to defend myself by saying that I, in fact, am not using a dual bless strategy. That is unless you consider a 4e5a bless a dual bless strategy. I also pointed out Ulm, who is using one, to show that in EA the Heims are not the only ones using it. If you have a problem with the "finger pointing" then that is your problem, not mine.

Foodstamp · #**288** November 15th, 2006, 10:37 PM

Helheim is performing competitively against the other nations without using the played out bless strategy. /salute you for that.

As far as other nations using a double bless, I don't really think it has as big of an impact on the game than when used in conjunction with glamour or neifel giants. Some players have suggested it is insanely powerful with Mictlan but I have no experience with that nation whatsoever.

I hope maybe in a future patch instead of nerfing these bless strategies, Illwinter gives certain nations counters to the double blesses on these particular nations (The heims and possible mictlan?).

WSzaboPeter · #**289** November 15th, 2006, 11:16 PM

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Foodstamp said:
but please quit trying to discredit the OOC player by saying I told you this, and then did that.

You told me "I am willing to trade 50 nature gems for 50 death gems." in private message, recieved 11/13/06 09:49 PM, with topic GEM trade. I sent you the first 25 death gems, but I had not the remaining 25 more, but I was sure that I will have that amount within 2 turns. So I told you that the rest of the payment will be sent after I recieve the nature gems. Then when you saw that your forces where no match for the giants you said, that only 25 nature gems was agreed. I said that that WAS NOT the agreement. But newer told anyone, nor wrote that you where dishonouring the trade.

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If you want peace like you say you do, I will reiterate, remove your forces from Pangaea lands.

This means peace with Pangaea. But I hope this is not a trick to gather forces or assassins or something similar. If we make peace we make it for at least 6 mounts. I ask no monetary (or magical) compensation for my lost troups. I even offer you the province of Anodyr (103), one of the provinces next to your capital. I remove all my forces from it in this order. In exchange for that province, I ask the province of Starko (93). (I think it is logical that I wish to keep those 2940 gold worth giants, that would be useless without Starko under my control.)

Finally you will agree, that you will NOT attack any of my provinces, (except 103) and you DO NOT join any alliance that has members who are in war with me. Moreover, you will not attack R'lyeh or C'Tis, only if they attack you first, or if they state in the forum that the peace and trade agreement with them is invalid.

Thanks again for accepting the peace.
DreamSlayer

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R'lyeh is a peace-loving nation bearing you no ill will. We have no interest in the military affairs going on in the lands east of our aquatic realm and, as long as you do not attack our holdings, we are happy to accept a peace and trade arrangement.

We, the Sons of Winter are glad to greet our aquatic friends.

Foodstamp · #**290** November 15th, 2006, 11:45 PM

The trade was initiated as part of our forging a peace between our two nations. You cannot expect a nation to send you 50 gems on the turn that you break the peace and you have only sent 25.

Most nations in my position would not have even honored a 1 to 1 trade after you attacked them, much less send you 50 for 25 and expect you to live up to your end of the bargain.

Pangaea cannot have peace until the forces of Neifelheim and the forces of Vanheim are moved out of our territory. This territory includes all our former holdings on the northern continent.

I want to make this clear to Neifelheim...

When you are dispelled from our lands or move out on your own accord, we will not venture south to the southern continent. At this time we will discuss NAPs or other agreements.

To Vanheim, this statement holds true for you as well. When Vanheim is removed from Pangaean lands, we will discuss the possibilities of a NAP if your even interested in such talks .