Will Vanheim Ever Become Spayed?

[Edi]

Yes, you can, but that kind of magic needs research, which requires time, which means that if you have a problem NOW, you won't be around anymore after the 6 or 7 turns required to get your research that far.

The whole point of this is that if and when you run up against hard numbers the likes of which Huzurdadi brought into the discussion and others have already raised many of the points you have been saying, you will eventually get yelled at. Because the numbers generally don't lie and they tend to need answer in kind, i.e. actual test results.

Edi

[Aseth]

will test within fiew days...

[HoneyBadger]

I'm going to run some tests with Helheim vs Atlantis, early age, the theory being that even though Atlantis doesn't have archers, they do have ready-to-order Bladewind coupled with heavy duty tramplers in the form of Basalt Kings equipped with Boots of the Behemoth, plus lots of cheap-o poisoner troops and they're amphibious, which should nullify partially or wholely early expansion. I'm using Helheim because Vanheim's ability to cross oceans makes this latter issue more vague, and because supposedly Helheim has better blessed troops, which seems to be the issue. I'd also like to put forth the (harder to test) theory that early age Ermor, in the long run, has more dangerous blessed calvalry because their calvalry recovers from disabilities, making it possible to have three and four star experience blessed troops with no hearts. I'd also imagine that ea Ermor would be successful against Vanheim etc. due to their propensity for cheap, tough javelin-throwers, which they should be able to make several times as many of as the Vans can make sacred troops.

[Shovah32]

Better than bladewind they have access to AoE spells like magma eruption later on. They can also get amazingly tough sacreds and basalt kings with an e9-10(possibly n4) bless.

[Aseth]

ok, stupid iron numbers:
early era

Van - 25 sacred vans with w9f9 bless,5 sacred van comanders(1 of them prophet),dominion 5, 3 order -3res 2drain 3 misfortune

C`Tis - 4 sauromancers, 1 Lizard King (Prophet),120 HI,3 lvl enchant reserched, dominion 5, 3 order, 3res, 3grows, 2 hot, 1 magic, 3 misfortune

C`Tis lose 20 battles from 20... sad

BUT now some MEGA-MAGIC-STRATEGIC-HINT, change 120 HI for
50Elite Warriors & 80 Slave Warriors(yep, i have so much money for them because of GOOD scales)

C`Tis win 20 battles from 20... hmmmm... what is wrong... Ou! Bingo! HI usless against so-heavy-hitting & hi-def troops, but little Slave-Lizards kick them... It`s miracle my friends! (all Slave-Lizards die)

next, change 80 Slave Warriors to 20 Chariots
C`Tis win 20 battles from 20... and even some troops exept Sauromancers survive!

[Shovah32]

I thought elite warriors would do better vrs van. Duel to lower resources they can be massed faster and with 2 attacks(with decent skills on elite warriors) they can hit them hard. You used the sauros near the flanks right?

[Aseth]

i use Sauromanser & all other forces of C`Tis in the far left (back)
in the center to spam big cloud of skeletons.
All forces of Van - far right (forvard),for faster entering combat.

to Edi here your`s hard numbers

[Shovah32]

I used to do a similar set-up with ctis but, ive found putting the sauromancers out towards the flanks a little top/bottom(left/right) allows skeletons to reach combat faster(moving round rather than through your army) and helps defend vrs flankers.

[Aseth]

yep, tested, flanks is better, now with Chariots even more Lizard survives (about 10 chariots & some 10-20 Slaves)

[Shovah32]

So im guessing chariots remove alot of mirror images, skeletons protect the flanks and when the 2 forces meet the larger ctissian force of skeletons and slaves overwhelms the now weakened van force?
I have 2 other tests for you and im not sure how they will go.
1)try basic(non-sacred) EA van/helm troops with glamour(the fairly cheap guys) and see how that goes
2)Use the sacred vrs ctis set-up and try to find a way for vanheim to win with that force.