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		Marignon's got my vote for the best, at least against a variety of opponents. Decently armored pikes up front and crossbows in back...pretty much guaranteed to do some damage, and they synergize well with real troops. 
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
	
		
		
	
	
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		I found Arco's PD to be pretty good, it saved me in one of my early single player games.  
 
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		The giants PD is terrible, its only worth putting to 1 really, looks like both Niefel/Jotumheim are as bad as each another. 
 
I have found Marverni PD to be surprisingly good.  At 10 PD, 55gps you get 10 slingers, 20 javelineers.  They seem to inflict alot of damge in the first 3 rounds or so.  I have had Marverni PD of 10, 20 and 30 swing a battle or two.  In MP other nations fail to take it into account and some of there attacks get replused. 
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
	
		
		
	
	
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		Argatha's PD is awefull, Marignon and Ermor both have good PD. 
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
	
		
		
	
	
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		Actually throw-away front-line infantry shouldnt be a minus as long as they are used well. If the province wins, they are recreated so they arent really a loss if they serve well. 
 
I think that the battle of armies, natural or magical, is meant to be an emphasis of the game. So Im not sure that PD is meant to withstand armies. To me, if it can withstand MOST random events and the cheaper spell attacks such as "call of xxxxx", then that should be considered average for PD.  
 
Maybe some tests for what purchase-price of PD it takes to do that for each nation would be helpful. If one can do at 6 what another has to have 11 to do then we have a barometer to measure by. 
 
Of course, pumping A LOT of money into PD can be effective against armies but Im not sure if we will ever measure that to a useful decision. 
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		Throw-away infantry are a minus if they throw their lives away so quickly that the real armies rout. I haven't experienced this personally but Caelum's behavior sounds pretty bad. 
 
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		My top 3: 
3. Mictlan (well, if you play heavy bless, but then again why should you NOT play heavy bless with them?) 
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		 Abysia is pretty good with a fireball casting mage at pd 20. 
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
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		Lanka's PD is pretty good once you cast Haunted Forest... 
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
	
		
		
	
	
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