TOTAL WAR 1985 - Page 2

The_Warrior · #11 August 25th, 2007, 01:41 AM

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narwan said:
Hmm, wasn't Hackett the guy who made the dutch look bad in the fight!

No. I read both books and if I remember right, the Dutch did well. In the battle of Minden(Third World War, The Untold Story), the Dutch with U.S. Air Force support stop an Warsaw Pact break out attempt cold.

narwan · #12 August 30th, 2007, 04:56 PM

I was thinking more off the breakthrough on the north german plain which was mainly defended by the dutch while we all know the red hordes wouldn't stand a chance against out long-haired samsoms.

(Just some harmless chauvinism here)

The_Warrior · #13 August 31st, 2007, 08:19 PM

Ahh yes. Northern part of Germany was Defended by the Dutch, Belgiens, Germans and the Brits. Northern part of Germany would be the hardest to defend because it's wide open flat lnd and rolling hill. Perfect tank country.

narwan · #14 August 31st, 2007, 09:05 PM

Not quite true I'm afraid. Only the part defended by the dutch and germans was 'open country'. The british and belgians had failry hilly and wooded terrain. Not good tank country at all.
But even the open part had it problems, there's only a small open corridor between Hamburg and Luneburg for the soviets to push through. After that it does widen but the whole area is rife with streams, rivers and canals. And depending on the season the rain made a lot of the open terrain to 'wet' for heavy vehicles. And lots of towns and villages were an advance could run into trouble.

So while it was certainly better tank terrain than the rest of west germany (except perhaps the stretch between munich and the danube) it doesn't come close to the open fields of the soviet union. It certainly wasn't perfect tank country.

Narwan

MarkSheppard · #15 September 2nd, 2007, 02:47 AM

Is the real life airport that huge? Remember that just two hexes = a football field in real life.

wulfir · #16 September 2nd, 2007, 04:33 PM

Truthfully, no idea..., if not I guess they rebuilt it just before WW3.

Btw Mark, you've been there for real?

Here's the map I used as a basis for the MBT map. Can't say I did much meassuring of distances though...

MarkSheppard · #17 September 2nd, 2007, 11:07 PM

Yellow line is 87 hexes long;

the center runway is 60 hexes long, bottom is 50.

The military base at the top is 20 hexes by 2.

wulfir · #18 September 3rd, 2007, 12:24 PM

hmmm...., I'm going to have to scale it down, my air field is about twice the size of the real one.

narwan · #19 September 4th, 2007, 06:17 PM

This may be of interest for this project. It's a link to the most detailed list of NATO forces I've seen so far. It's an OB for 1989 though, not 1985, but it should allow for a good reference point.
Not all nations are as equally well detailed though. The real beauty here AFAIK is the german territorial forces.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/37695/NATO...of-Battle-1989

I've also attached the document as pdf file.

Narwan

narwan · #20 September 5th, 2007, 01:28 PM

Hmm, the above link shows V3.0 of the obat. Somehow I managed to download a V7.3 of it but I can't find where I got that one. Anyway here's an even more detailed obat. In this one the german heimatschutzen units are detailed down to individual companies, platoons and demolition teams in the different VKK's. And more. Have fun!