New Player Questions, EAPangaea, Rainbow Mage, Etc

[kasnavada]

About maenad generation : I did one test in another thread about EA pangaea (it is referenced in the strategy index) and found out the ratio for maenad generation between order 3 and turmoil 3 is 3 to 1. That is, you generate 3 times more maenads with turmoil 3 than with order 3.

I haven't made the test for order / turmoil 0.

[Renojustin]

It seems kind of odd... I used to take Order 3 with Pangaea just to AVOID the Maenads. In that game, I remember that I got very, very few Maenads, and only when my Pans wandered out of my Dominion. Are you sure that Pans generate them at all in an Order dominion?

Edit: Just played 10 turns with about 6-7 Pans and didn't get a single Maenad in EA with Order 3. Looks like Pans don't generate Maenads without Turmoil.

[kasnavada]

I did the test for 30 turns and using the lord of the wild in EA. It seems pans behave differently. In that case, sorry for being misleading.

[Kristoffer O]

I think it depends on both turmoil/order and dominion in the province. Thus the lord of the wild will likely produce more of them since he will often have a nice dominion where he resides.

[Renojustin]

Interesting... now I have to somehow add in high dominion with a well-magicked Gorgon to get the best of all worlds with EA/MA Pangaea.

I never thought Pangaea needed much in the way of dominion strength - between its excellent Dryad priests and 200 gp temples - but here's a great reason to work it in. Or you could just start with a lowish one, then generate Maenads at an exponential rate as your Pans start to pile up, combined with the dominion bonus from extra temples being constantly built.

[kasnavada]

Yup. But a dom10 E9N4 gorgon looks much more powerful now than before.

I'll run a few tests once I come back home to see the effect of dominion and scales on pans.

[Renojustin]

Order 3, Luck 3, Dominion 10 = no Maenads. So it definitely seems as if you MUST have Turmoil (and alcohol) to make naked women.

[Sombre]

Did you try that with Lord of the Wild though? Maybe he just domsummons maenads rather than turmoilsummoning them?

[kasnavada]

Hum, I'm unlucky or something. I ran 5 tests with the following common parameters :
- monolith god.
- buying a pan a turn until I get 5 when the nature gem count goes to 25
- stopping the test when it hits 100.

Here are more detailled results :
Test 2 : 473 maenads, 5 pans bought, dom 10 turmoil 3 monolith
Test 3 : 598 maenads, 5 pans bought, dom 5 turmoil 3 monolith.
Test 4 : 471 maenads, 5 pans bought, dom 10 turmoil 3 monolith (forest + farmland has no effect ?),
Test 5 : 464 maenads, 4 pans bought (short on money...), dom 5 turmoil 3 monolith.

Now, I've got no problem with those results if they are intended. From KO's comment it would seem it's intended to be the opposite ?

Second series of tests : lord of the wild. All default, stopped when the nature gem counter hit 100.
Test 6 : 148 maenads, 3 turmoil, 5 dom.
Test 7 : 200 maenads, 3 turmoil, 10 dom (in a forest).
Test 8 : 179 maenads, 3 turmoil, 5 dom.
Test 9 : 138 maenads, 3 turmoil, 10 dom.
Test 10 : 0 maenads, 3 order, 5 dom.
Test 11 : 216 maenads, 3 turmoil, 10 dom (in a forest).
Test 12 : 135 maenads, 3 turmoil, 10 dom.
Test 13 : 0 maenads, 3 order, 5 dom (in a forest).

Errr. My earlier test was version 1.14 though, something changed ?

Well, it would seem that :
- pans and lord of the wild don't seem to have the same mechanics behind them ? Not sure how forest affect pans.
- I confirm renojustin's test. Order 3 = no maenads with pans, nor lord of the wild. Something changed with 1.14 ? I was pretty sure that I got some during my last test... well.
- pans generate more maenads when dominion is lower ?!?
- lord of the wild is affected strongly by forests.

Attached : the tests.

[Renojustin]

Nice tests Kas. I have the information I need for min/maxed pretenders for EA and MA Pangaea now.

I believe that the only thing affecting Maenad generation is Turmoil.