Guide: Guide to communions

[MaxWilson]

It doesn't hurt, unless you have something better to cast on them. It's not every point of damage, of course, only every round in which they take damage.

-Max

[Immaculate]

If one of the masters is sacred and gets a bless do non-sacred slaves get the bless effect?

[thejeff]

No. For 2 reasons. First, they're not sacred so wouldn't get it.
Second bless isn't a caster target spell, so they wouldn't be affected by the master getting blessed even if they were sacred.

[zzcat]

MaxWilson said:
3. The short answer is that fatigue is split between master/slaves BEFORE adjusting for path levels, but slaves also get the communion bonus to their paths for these purposes. If a spell is cast which requires D4 and 400 fatigue, and there are 4 slaves in the communion all with no Death paths, each slave and the master will take 80 fatigue, adjusted for path levels and drain (plus fatigue, for the master). With the +2 communion bonus for 4 slaves, each slave is D2 casting a D4 spell, and since they are 2 levels short they take triple fatigue damage or 240 fatigue (which I think means 40 fatigue gets converted to 4 HP damage). If you are N levels short you take (N+1) times fatigue, if you are N levels over you take 1/(N+1) times fatigue.

Does it help if the master spends addtional gems? In this case, using 2 more D gems to reduce 160 fatigue for each slave seems very cost-effective.

[Fantomen]

I´m not sure, but I think that extra gems reduce fatigue only for the caster, not for the slaves.

[earcaraxe]

Hi!

There r some fact that i cant deduce from what i have read here and in the manual. I was experiencing (its my first try) with communions this morning, trying to get a feel for it. Here is the list of my commanders:

A - basic mictlan priest, B1H1, enc3
B - mictlan priest with 1 exp. star, B1H1, enc3
C - tepeyocatl A1B1, enc 4
D - hpots, B3F2H3, enc 6

D has 30 blood slaves. (it seems that unlike the other gems, blood slaves are common goods, every commander can use the other's (btw: from what distance can a mage use a blood slave in combat?).

The battle takes place in magic+1.

1 round:
A,B,C casts sabbath slave. using 1 slave apiece, so we r down to 27. A,B gets to 93 fatigue (that I understand), but C to 95 (i think it should be 94 but nvm, its only 1 diff), then D casts sabbath master: number of slaves: 24, so D's fatigue is 28 (just as i expected).

2. round:
D casts hell power. reamining slaves:21. its fatigue is 300 (270 with M+1), so each participant gets about 67. D has B4 now, so it's 33 for him, plus enc, so theoretically he gets to about 33+28=61, which is in reality 60, but its ok. Now the slaves get their share of the fatigue. They get 67 apiece, but because they r just B2 mages (HP is a B3 spell), it should mean 93(1st round)+134(HP)+3(enc)=240 total fatigue for A, right?
In reality his fatigue is just 157, which means he got 64 fatigue from th hell power spell. Its about the one-fourth of 270, so it seems he didnt get penalized for having only B2 for a B3 spell. (?) (its not that he gains HP's effect first then fatigue second, because the master didnt get it either)

3. round:
D casts Reinvigoration. new fatigues: A:53,B:47:,C:53,D:0. Counting the reinvigoration5 they got from hell power, thats about -100 fatigue on the slaves (for some mysterious reason B got a little less).

It worth mentioning, that for Reinvigoration D used 2 extra slaves, but didnt need to. My perception is that pots dont cast Reinvigoration unless i script it, and they always used 2 extra slaves so far (two tries only, so small pool of evidences, but its totally needless)


after the 5th round three lesser horrors appeared to indicate their appreciation for the invitation for lunch. They left well fed.

I'd appreciate any comments, but the main question is: why did the slaves get 64 fatigue instead of 134 on the second ruond?

[vfb]

Hell Power boosts all paths by 2, not 1.

[thejeff]

Right, but they shouldn't get the effects of Hell Power when casting it, should they? The B2 (for fatigue from the master's spells only) is from the communion.

But then I don't even understand why they only get 93-95 fatigue from Sabbath Slave. Shouldn't they get 100+enc?

[Gregstrom]

Magic-1 scale gives 10% less fatigue?

[thejeff]

Right. Missed that.