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		Here's something to ponder: Does the Fire bless double with a Water bless? 
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
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		It isn't much of an issue to ponder. 
 
Water bless grants quickness, quickness grants 1.5 actions, more actions means more attacks, more attacks means more secondaryeffect fire bless. 
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
	
		
		
	
	
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		So water bless + fire bless + quickness boots on, say, a Devata with 4 swords of swiftness, would give you somewhere around 24 attacks, 28 with their natural kick attack. Seeing as they have the air path, and can fly + air shield, that's pretty fun. 
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
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		No, I'm not saying the fire effect is an extra attack, it isn't. It's an extra effect added to the standard weapon attack. 
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
	
		
		
	
	
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		I guess the difference is that the fire damage always hits the same person as the weapon which produces it. 
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
		
		
		
		
		
		
	
		
		
	
	
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				I guess the difference is that the fire damage always hits the same person as the weapon which produces it. 
			
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 And doesn't cause an additional Defense reduction in the target.
 
Think of it like the Small Area Fire from a Firebrand, but it only hits the one target, not the entire square.  
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
	
		
		
	
	
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		How bizarre. I don't know why, but that just somehow blows my mind. I think I must be very tired... 
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
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		Hah!  I knew I had seen a discussion about the need for mod nation guides back when the world was young.  Erm... in 2007 I mean.  Thanks to the resident necromancers for digging it up for me.    
To get the thread back on topic:  I've written a quite extensive guide on Arga Dis here:  http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=38517, for those who haven't come across it yet.  Unfortunately, it's not of a size to allow copy/pasting it into this thread, as the shorter playing guides in the beginning of the thread, but links work almost just as well, right?    
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
	
		
		
	
	
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		And it only activates if the weapon its attached to hits,.. and /possibly/ only if that weapon damages (this is untested, I only mention it because that seems to be how melee poison secondaryeffects work. 
 
Firebrand I believe is small area fire as a secondaryeffectalways so even if you miss, as long as you swing, it activates. 
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
	
		
		
	
	
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