Dealing with an early N9 E9 Niefel Giant rush

[Aezeal]

Personally I just rolled over Lanka myself with Niefelheim. I think that early game (like most of the better bless nations) they are just very hard to stop 1-1, they basicly have invested a lot in the early game and if you haven't you have a huge disadvantage. 2-1 is a good option (it's probably one of the better options for all problems in MP anyway).

[djo]

I was that Lanka. My palankas were w9n6e4, if I recall. I tried to swarm with reanimated undead while punching through with palankas, but it didn't work. The same Niefel Jarls that bless the giants also spam Banish quite effectively.

[Nounours]

And with a bunch of death mages to cast raise dead/raise skeletons ? He will banish some of your undead, but if you keep summoning more and more, won't you eventually overwhelm him ?

[Sombre]

It would take a lot of D2 mages to skellywall a niefel group and force them to retreat. It's pretty hard to organise ahead of time and avoid losing most of your territory. It's also pretty unlikely to actually kill them afaik, because they won't fatigue out.

[K]

Originally Posted by djo

I was that Lanka. My palankas were w9n6e4, if I recall. I tried to swarm with reanimated undead while punching through with palankas, but it didn't work. The same Niefel Jarls that bless the giants also spam Banish quite effectively.

Two questions:

1. Did you pick Heat 3 and let him come to you (fighting him in your Heat 3)?

2. Did you spam Summon Imps to redirect Banishes?

I play Lanka quite a bit and prefer the W9/N9 bless. Beserking is too much of an advantage to not get even if it fatigues you out, and once you can Wooden Warriors/Mass Protection up Asrapas you don't worry about fatigue ever again.

[chrispedersen]

These are all good answers, but I have an even better one. However, since I'm currently *playing* niefle, I'm going to hold on it until the game is over.

An ok answer however, is to assassinate. Usually a jarl 30 ish hp leads and blesses the 2-8 niefle giants. Best way is with a fire mage

Assassinate him - and there is no bless and hence no regeneration.

[chrispedersen]

Originally Posted by djo

I was that Lanka. My palankas were w9n6e4, if I recall. I tried to swarm with reanimated undead while punching through with palankas, but it didn't work. The same Niefel Jarls that bless the giants also spam Banish quite effectively.

This is why lanka should play an F9W9n4-6 bless. That extra 6 fire ap from the fire blessing just rocks against niefle - fire susceptible, if you recall.

[thejeff]

Originally Posted by chrispedersen

These are all good answers, but I have an even better one. However, since I'm currently *playing* niefle, I'm going to hold on it until the game is over.

An ok answer however, is to assassinate. Usually a jarl 30 ish hp leads and blesses the 2-8 niefle giants. Best way is with a fire mage

Assassinate him - and there is no bless and hence no regeneration.

Tease.

And so many nations have early access to Fire mage assassins...
Capable of taking a Neifel Jarl? Or even a regular Jotun Jarl? (Who will bless himself first, then probably finish buffing and attack)

[DonCorazon]

Not sure what's wrong with me but i have never seen skelly spam be effective on anything.

[vfb]

Well, what you saw probably wasn't real spam then. Just some cheap imported look-alike in a tin can.