Crimson Skies - Running - Page 4

JimMorrison · #31 February 1st, 2009, 11:05 AM

It's just that you're being a bit of a jerk over the whole thing. Let me clarify - nothing came off as sarcastic or joking, it just seemed bitter and hostile.

LA Ermor has lost plenty of MP games. Do they color the game they are in? Most definitely. Do they make the game some sort of ridiculous farce, that everyone should get red in the face about, as you seem to be? Well no, not really. No more than Lanka, or Niefelheim, or Hinnom/Ashdod.

Just calm down, eh? If you don't want to play in a game with them, fine, then state it clearly and move on. If someone asks to play Ermor, then the host can choose. If you don't like the thought that he isn't outright banning Ermor because of your sour attitude, then you can opt to join another game before it gets to that point.

How hard is it, really?

Zeldor · #32 February 1st, 2009, 12:44 PM

I'm ok with LA Ermor in the game, it could be a challenge, assuming it's not played by a veteran player.

And when are we starting? If you wanted map for 12 players, I guess it wouldn't be so hard to find 1 more.

qio · #33 February 1st, 2009, 01:20 PM

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It's just that you're being a bit of a jerk over the whole thing. Let me clarify - nothing came off as sarcastic or joking, it just seemed bitter and hostile.

I wasn't joking. The first post was neutral in tone. Defiant? Sure. I think sarcastic. If someone is going to start crying over that, that is simply pathetic.

As for anything else in subsequent posts. You get what you ask for. For example, you wrote a lot of trash in your prior post; which had no direct relevance with anything in my post. I could care less for your tone. Your content was feeble. See below.

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Anyone who takes an SC pretender as Ermor is a n00b

This statement is not true.

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If you don't like the thought that he isn't outright banning Ermor because of your sour attitude, then you can opt to join another game before it gets to that point.

Yes, I think anyone that is cool with LA Ermor being in a game has no clue. I said that already. That is my opinion. Maybe the host will take that into consideration, maybe he won't. Feel free to be offended.

JimMorrison · #34 February 1st, 2009, 03:46 PM

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Anyone who takes an SC pretender as Ermor is a n00b

This statement is not true.

Yes, actually it is. And no, a Lich does not qualify as an SC. A thug, sure, not an SC.

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If you don't like the thought that he isn't outright banning Ermor because of your sour attitude, then you can opt to join another game before it gets to that point.

Yes, I think anyone that is cool with LA Ermor being in a game has no clue. I said that already. That is my opinion. Maybe the host will take that into consideration, maybe he won't. Feel free to be offended.

Shortly after getting here, I was in a game with LA Ermor. They had to drop the game, and somehow Micah ended up subbing. In case you don't know him, let me just say that we lost the game. I defiantly stated that I'd never play in a game with LA Ermor again. Then I got better at the game. Now I'm in a game with a less expert player who is playing LA Ermor, and they are not winning. I'm happy enough. Maybe you should just calm down and avoid games with LA Ermor until you get your confidence up.

LA Ermor should lose every single time on a wrap-around map, if the game is primarily composed of moderately experienced players.

Anyway, enjoy your game. Or not. I could care more, I just like reading Chris' threads.

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qio · #35 February 1st, 2009, 05:16 PM

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Anyone who takes an SC pretender as Ermor is a n00b

You're like an energizer bunny.

If you feel it is bad design to make an SC pretender for Ermor you can state that. I'll disagree with you on that just for the fun of it. Would this still hold in a 4 player game? How about 3 players?

No, your statement is false. Proof? The fact you think no-one, who you would define as an expert or good player, would ever make such a pretender for fun is your shortsightedness. Some people play for fun. New concept? You can also sub in mediocre for expert.

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And no, a Lich does not qualify as an SC. A thug, sure, not an SC.

If you insist. Let's tango then.

I can build an SC from a lich. I'm sure there are others that can manage this feat as well. Do you have another definition for what you mean by an SC and/or Thug? I took those below from the strategywiki, as I'm lazy.

>> http://strategywiki.org/wiki/Dominio...ening/Units/SC
>> http://strategywiki.org/wiki/Dominio...ing/Units/Thug

The definition states that "In most cases gifted with lots of hitpoints". Does this have you confused? Lots of hitpoints are great. Comparing an SC lich to other builds, might reveal he is quite feeble. That is another matter. I think he can hold his own against a fair number of SC builds - certainly not all. Yes, he needs equipment. Luckily the definition states "outfitting SC's is a very popular occupation of many Dominions players". Also, as fortune would have it, a lich can fulfill one important criteria from the definition as well. Namely, "an SC can take weak defended provinces alone or annihilate smaller armies".

Let's see if we can get our facts straight on this point. Ball is in your court.

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Shortly after getting here, I was in a game with LA Ermor.

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Honestly. Don't care.

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Maybe you should just calm down and avoid games with LA Ermor until you get your confidence up.

I'm perfectly calm. Amused is a better characterization. I especially love it how people make assumptions. I got quite a few about you. Would be a waste of time to share them over the internet though.

chrispedersen · #36 February 1st, 2009, 06:26 PM

JimMorrison · #37 February 1st, 2009, 06:40 PM

Well you have fun with your 30hp Lifeless Undead SC. I am sure you'll get very far with that.

I'm sorry I assumed we were talking about serious play, with the intent to win. Someone who is doing a wonky build for "fun" is not going to be nearly so dangerous with LA Ermor, and so should not be so fearsome.

I was just trying to illustrate how easy it is to get discouraged by Ermor when you first start MP. You don't care, that's fine. Have fun pissing and moaning about the whole thing, it seems to be working out great.

Fakeymcfake · #38 February 1st, 2009, 07:24 PM

Alright, I think this thread has been derailed enough. I believe it best for everyone concerned that we simply drop it and keep any remaining discussion in this thread limited to topics directly pertaining to this game and leave any hypothetical debate for the general forum.

That being said, any word on what map we're going for? I'd prefer something with at least some water/mountains as I find that having some choke points on the map makes the game more interesting.

Zapmeister · #39 February 1st, 2009, 07:33 PM

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That being said, any word on what map we're going for? I'd prefer something with at least some water/mountains as I find that having some choke points on the map makes the game more interesting.

According to the llamaserver, its Cradle and we're waiting for pretenders. I just uploaded mine now.

EDIT: Hmm - just saw that it says "Mods: none" ???

qio · #40 February 1st, 2009, 08:03 PM

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Well you have fun with your 30hp Lifeless Undead SC. I am sure you'll get very far with that.

Yes. When equipped and armed with some spells he will do just fine. Maybe not the best SC that can be built to challenge other SC's, but certainly not the worst. It really comes down to game mechanics and a bit of luck. Die rolls and such. It's actually pretty complex.

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I'm sorry I assumed we were talking about serious play, with the intent to win. Someone who is doing a wonky build for "fun" is not going to be nearly so dangerous with LA Ermor, and so should not be so fearsome.

I'd be more than willing to champion the notion of a lich as being a viable SC and build for Ermor. A build which also fits all your criteria for what Ermor needs in your opinion from a pretender.

I just wanted to show to you in the easiest way possible, how both your statements are false. These were:

1) Only a "noob" as you refer to them, would play Ermor with an SC as a pretender.

2) A lich is not an SC.

But, I guess your perception of what is "serious" play prohibits this.

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I was just trying to illustrate how easy it is to get discouraged by Ermor when you first start MP. You don't care, that's fine. Have fun pissing and moaning about the whole thing, it seems to be working out great.

I know better. So, I don't care for that particular example you give. I don't believe I've been whiny about the issue. Depends if you think that stating an opinion is whining. Some people do that. Also, that would mean you've been quite vocal.

Frankly, all I did in my last post was prove how you made two invalid statements. And I agreed to argue the case for an SC as being a valid choice of pretender for Ermor - indirecly.

Good luck to you too.