Madness - 24 players, MA+LA, CBM 1.4 (running)

[chrispedersen]

Originally Posted by KissBlade

Here is the problem on how you handled your game.

You went into the game with an all or nothing strat in hopes of blind luck looking in your favor rather than actual strategy. I believe that you fully intended on quitting/subbing/staling if anything even went wrong with your start. I would not have minded this as much if not for a few factors.

After you got lucky enough to bump into a nation that didn't take a SC pretender god, you tried to get him to flat out resign to you to give you an undeserved leg up in the game. "It was he, after jumping me and when I had a total of 11 troops left in the whole game, and no mages, tried to get me to resign, so that he would have a better chance..."

This was annoying enough.

Second, if you truly decided your game is over (hardly since Archae is in an awful spot as well) then saying, "good game" and getting the last few turns over with would've been proper form. Heck, even doing some half assed turns or worse, staling is better form than /lying/ about your position to get a sub.

Also I don't believe a word you said about you couldn't expand due to losses. Your army graph never dipped and you had constant province growth.

As for your "test games" and claim that "the manual said it would work!" I don't know whether to laugh or shake my head.

As I said, I refuse to join another game that you're playing. Laters.

KissBlade..

I'm not going to stoop to the same level. I will merely point out:

I sent congratulations to arch, even before I opened the turn.

Before this conversation, I reported to llama that I was having problems, first with getting the turn (check back in this thread), and then secondly everytime I submit a turn it says wrong turn number.

Third: It is rather usual to start a *second* army.
As I never expanded *2* - do you think that is just remotely possible it might be because my expansion with my *first* army was thwarted? Or do you really think that, having spent 800 points on a SC, I would have preferred leaving him no space to which to retreat?

Fourth - Someone that is relying on blind luck, would neither keep the scores table, nor analyze. I've cut an pasted it below.

Best Wishes


LlamaServer Scores, Madness turn 2
Provinces
Nation Provinces
Independents 389
MA Arcoscephale 1
MA Man 1
MA Mictlan 1
MA Agartha 1
MA Caelum 1
MA C'tis 1
MA Pangaea 1
MA Vanheim 1
MA Jotunheim 2
MA Bandar Log 1
MA Shinuyama 1
LA Arcoscephale 1
LA Man 1
LA Ulm 1
LA Marignon 2
LA Mictlan 1
LA T'ien Ch'i 1
LA Agartha 1
LA Abysia 1
LA Pangaea 1
LA Midgard 1
LA Utgard 1
LA Pythium 1
LA Bogarus 1

Forts
Nation Forts
Independents 0
MA Arcoscephale 1
MA Man 1
MA Mictlan 1
MA Agartha 1
MA Caelum 1
MA C'tis 1
MA Pangaea 1
MA Vanheim 1
MA Jotunheim 1
MA Bandar Log 1
MA Shinuyama 1
LA Arcoscephale 1
LA Man 1
LA Ulm 1
LA Marignon 1
LA Mictlan 1
LA T'ien Ch'i 1
LA Agartha 1
LA Abysia 1
LA Pangaea 1
LA Midgard 1
LA Utgard 1
LA Pythium 1
LA Bogarus 1

Income
Nation Income
Independents 30050
MA Arcoscephale 713
MA Man 748
MA Mictlan 600
MA Agartha 391
MA Caelum 541
MA C'tis 735
MA Pangaea 315
MA Vanheim 963
MA Jotunheim 450
MA Bandar Log 657
MA Shinuyama 1133
LA Arcoscephale 360
LA Man 829
LA Ulm 164
LA Marignon 516
LA Mictlan 356
LA T'ien Ch'i 705
LA Agartha 470
LA Abysia 314
LA Pangaea 985
LA Midgard 786
LA Utgard 658
LA Pythium 663
LA Bogarus 808

Gem Income
Nation Gem Income
Independents 255
MA Arcoscephale 5
MA Man 5
MA Mictlan 5
MA Agartha 5
MA Caelum 5
MA C'tis 5
MA Pangaea 5
MA Vanheim 5
MA Jotunheim 5
MA Bandar Log 5
MA Shinuyama 5
LA Arcoscephale 4
LA Man 4
LA Ulm 4
LA Marignon 4
LA Mictlan 5
LA T'ien Ch'i 4
LA Agartha 4
LA Abysia 4
LA Pangaea 4
LA Midgard 4
LA Utgard 4
LA Pythium 4
LA Bogarus 4

Research
Nation Research
Independents 0
MA Arcoscephale 8
MA Man 0
MA Mictlan 0
MA Agartha 0
MA Caelum 0
MA C'tis 13
MA Pangaea 14
MA Vanheim 0
MA Jotunheim 0
MA Bandar Log 29
MA Shinuyama 8
LA Arcoscephale 11
LA Man 0
LA Ulm 0
LA Marignon 0
LA Mictlan 0
LA T'ien Ch'i 0
LA Agartha 0
LA Abysia 44
LA Pangaea 0
LA Midgard 0
LA Utgard 38
LA Pythium 14
LA Bogarus 11

Dominion
Nation Dominion
Independents 0
MA Arcoscephale 48
MA Man 24
MA Mictlan 45
MA Agartha 56
MA Caelum 35
MA C'tis 66
MA Pangaea 69
MA Vanheim 45
MA Jotunheim 69
MA Bandar Log 23
MA Shinuyama 45
LA Arcoscephale 59
LA Man 34
LA Ulm 24
LA Marignon 79
LA Mictlan 22
LA T'ien Ch'i 44
LA Agartha 35
LA Abysia 67
LA Pangaea 56
LA Midgard 34
LA Utgard 34
LA Pythium 56
LA Bogarus 57

Army Size
Nation Army Size
Independents 32000
MA Arcoscephale 85
MA Man 56
MA Mictlan 98
MA Agartha 74
MA Caelum 123
MA C'tis 94
MA Pangaea 86
MA Vanheim 65
MA Jotunheim 76
MA Bandar Log 76
MA Shinuyama 65
LA Arcoscephale 71
LA Man 68
LA Ulm 60
LA Marignon 57
LA Mictlan 112
LA T'ien Ch'i 119
LA Agartha 68
LA Abysia 62
LA Pangaea 100
LA Midgard 74
LA Utgard 68
LA Pythium 46
LA Bogarus 80

Victory Points
Nation Victory Points
Independents 2
MA Arcoscephale 1
MA Man 1
MA Mictlan 1
MA Agartha 1
MA Caelum 1
MA C'tis 1
MA Pangaea 1
MA Vanheim 1
MA Jotunheim 1
MA Bandar Log 1
MA Shinuyama 1
LA Arcoscephale 1
LA Man 1
LA Ulm 1
LA Marignon 1
LA Mictlan 1
LA T'ien Ch'i 1
LA Agartha 1
LA Abysia 1
LA Pangaea 1
LA Midgard 1
LA Utgard 1
LA Pythium 1
LA Bogarus 1




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[Reay]

Arch,

So how did you manage to kill Jotun's pretender anyway?

I assume it was a retreat kill due to afflictions?

[Redeyes]

He is the other Mictlan, so a heavily blessed troops powered defeat?

[archaeolept]

I had 2 unarmored slingers in the front, to catch his breath, which is pretty useless anyways.

one prophet nearish the front, who divine blessed then mixed up smites and sermons.

one mictlan tribal king, w/ a purchased vine whip, and 2 jaguar guards, on one side.

7 jags on the other.

The vine whip only hit twice i think, but still helped. The morale on the jags varied widely, from 8 to 21 i think, due to sermons and the draco lich's +12 fear (also awe +2); but they mostly held.

Draco had 180 base -36 for dominion -36 for neverhealing wound, for a total of 138 hp (). he was not crippled; chest wound does nothing.

Pounded on him w/ large sharp-edged chunks of obsidian until he retreated into *poof*

the king and his guards had broken, but the other 7 were still in high dudgeon.

one brave slinger gave his life for his god and nation.

The key to this was to deny the beast his attacks. The vine whip helped, but mostly it was the Twist of Fate on the Jags, especially as the AI does not prioritise units who have already lost their Twist. So damage was minimal, and did not feed into loss of morale.

[JimMorrison]

Originally Posted by chrispedersen

Second.. I would never *scam out* the position. I never have. I would tell (whomever expressed interest) the actual facts.

Well, to be fair, when I took over Gath for you in Kingmaker, after I PMed you for info on the build and intended strat (I had never even tried Gath before), my reply was from Zeldor or Xietor (can't remember who was admin at the start), asking for my email for the position. I never got the info..... And when I subbed Niefelheim in World In Crisis, you let the game stale again rather than just buying a Jarl and submitting as I asked, and when I saw the scales (3 Drain, weee!), lack of research, low gold income, and almost nonexistent gem income, well I didn't want to play them.


But, I still like you loads better than Archaeolept, who likes to lash out at people who try to give encouragement.

Oh and BTW Arch, be happy there are forum rules that I am inclined to follow, even if you like to dance around them with your infantile allusions, "at least I'm not a retard". Very smooth.

[archaeolept]

Jim.

by singling out that quote from chris, which was probably just sloppiness on his part, and making it your post, you imputed something to me that was false and slanderous. You could have verified your facts, but did not, and instead tried to drag my name in the mud. Exactly how that constituted "giving encouragement" is clearly beyond my powers of comprehension.

And now you whine.

But, I still like you loads better than Archaeolept

the gods be praised.

[JimMorrison]

Originally Posted by archaeolept

Jim.

by singling out that quote from chris, which was probably just sloppiness on his part, and making it your post, you imputed something to me that was false and slanderous. You could have verified your facts, but did not, and instead tried to drag my name in the mud.

Drag your name in the mud? Are you just completely insane? That quote clearly said it was made by Chris, and clearly had not been in any way confirmed.

I am still finding it hard to believe that you are so pissed off about such a small comment, made by someone who didn't even know what was going on in your little part of the world. Take a good look at what is going on here, and you'll discover that the only person whining and crying here, is not me. I'm just defending myself from an unreasonable and unwarranted verbal assault.

Seriously, you've been on the internet at least 5 years, I can't believe you've made it this long if you take offense at these things.

[archaeolept]

I'm sure it would break his heart to have the valley all to himself by turn 7.

The rolleyes are a favourite of passive-aggressives everywhere, and it really makes your post. You are implying sarcasm vis a vis an imputed internal state on my part; ie. you are saying that I am the contrary of heart-broken, that I am pleased or exultant to not have any opposition to fight. This is a slur, and I will teach your nation manners.

Seriously, you've been on the internet at least 5 years, I can't believe you've made it this long if you take offense at these things.

The internet is all about taking offense to things - you haven't noticed?

[Evilhomer]

well maybe Jim's comment can be read in that way, but aren't your reaction slightly over the top here archaeo ?

[archaeolept]

nope

if he wants to impute my inner mental states, and implicitly whine about how "easy" i've got it, I'll feel free to respond, thank you very much.

next time, perhaps he will consider the implications of what he says. Conceivably he will actually learn something, possibly, eventually.