MP: Noobs vs. Vets, Game Over, Noobs are Victorious! Hail Noobs!

[Septimius Severus]

Originally Posted by Lingchih

3:1 is indeed too much. As we have seen in this game, perhaps 2:1 is too much. Many noobs pick up the MP game very quickly, and when it is 2:1, with all the Noobs surrounding the Vets and able to attack on multiple fronts, well, it just becomes a quick duel, with all the Vets mid and late game knowledge thrown out the window.

I agonized a great deal over placement to be fair to both sides, as there were two continents, the noobs were placed on the larger one and the vets on the smaller one, I wouldn't say that anyone was "surrounding" anyone else.

I've always been in favor of larger maps with delayed hostilities as I detest the rush mentality. If the vets feel that they won't be able to retain the advantage in a longer playing game with a majority of green noobs, or feel 3:1 is too much we certainly won't do it.

[Septimius Severus]

Originally Posted by LumenPlacidum

Aww, I get NO credit. Yeah, it was bad luck that provided that specific affliction. Besides, I cursed you. Doesn't that make afflictions more likely? However, I am proud of the fact that I've now survived battles with two enemy pretenders and fended off a serious attack against my capital. BTW, you blinded my vampire! How rude...

Also, I am definitely a rank amateur. It's probably obvious.

You certainly deserve the credit. And beleive it or not, your probably more experienced than I am.

[rdonj]

Given that you cursed him, lumen, I would say that probably had everything in the world to do with it.

We do have a fair number of "relatively experienced noobs" on the team. I think on the frontline it's jomon, ulm, and gath who are the least experienced. Most of the really inexperienced players are on the inside though, with the exception of utgard who has been fairly quiet on our little forum and we have absolutely no idea what he's up to :P Technically I'm supposed to be one of the more experienced noobs on the team but I'm not terribly happy with my performance on the field so far, having one of the lower province counts and getting my army slaughtered by the first triple bless jaguar army I meet, feh. It's just a good thing my pd has so many archers.

It would have been more in spirit with the idea of the game to have more completely green noobs, I'm not sure how many of them are around at the moment though, and would not be too intimidated to go up against a team of some of the better players.

[Lavaere]

Maybe if I had gone Ulm, Jomon, Ulm or someone I'm more use to like Ulm. And exspecially not someone never used before like Bogarus. But honestly first MP game and I don't think I've ever played a SP game longer then 2 years. I wonder if that makes me a nice refreshing Lime Green.
I kinda get distracted easily, quit the game and then start up some other game I have on the comp. Rinse and Repeat.

I'm actually hoping that playing these games, with a turn will keep me playing them longer.

[pyg]

It looks like I'm doing fairly well in the game but this is mostly due to the fantastic starting position I had. I don't think this map is very balanced.

This is my third MP game and I'm nearly eliminated from my first two. Before starting MP games I had only played EA nations in SP. I haven't yet played a game past year four. I really am a newbie, but that doesn't mean I'm not a quick study.

[Septimius Severus]

I could always use forum ranking, # of posts, join date, etc as a general guide to noobishness in the future (most vets have over 2,000 posts to their name), but of course this doesn't really say anything other than how many messages they've posted.

This in combination with the veto power of the vets (provided they use it) should ensure we get what we're looking for.

[Lavaere]

Only problem with being a quick learner for games, is that you get bored of them even quicker. I remember High School playing chess, after a while I got so bored I would just play suicide chess against others.
Not until I learnt to play Go did I start playing properly. But then there were only a couple people who could play.

[Septimius Severus]

I think I may go to a 42 hour turn interval @ turn 10 to accomodate the more action oriented players in this game and any future games.

Some stats:

Provinces:

Noobs = 76 , Vets = 21, Indies = 28

Income:

Noobs = 9043, Vets = 1901

The noobs currently hold almost 4 times as many provinces and have more than four times the income of the vets. Not necessarily surprising.

Research:

Noobs = 3193, Vets = 1537.

Dominion:

Noobs = 999, Vets = 541.

Vets are doing a bit better in terms of research and dominion given their team size as compared to provinces and income.

Army Size:

Noobs = 3860, Vets = 1481.

No surpise here either, given the 2:1 ratio, though it is slanted in favor of the noobs.

[pyg]

Originally Posted by Lavaere

Only problem with being a quick learner for games, is that you get bored of them even quicker. I remember High School playing chess, after a while I got so bored I would just play suicide chess against others.
Not until I learnt to play Go did I start playing properly. But then there were only a couple people who could play.

Oh yeah!

Go is also a beautiful game. So simple and complex at the same time. Just play 9-dan against the noobs and they often have a chance to learn and do well in the same game.

It's a real credit to Dominions 3 that it has held my attention nearly twice as long as any other game [of my adult life] so far, trailed distantly by lesh2's linux port of Jagged Alliance 2-1.13, which is a completely different kind of game but also has a fair amount of modding possibilities.

[Ironhawk]

Originally Posted by LumenPlacidum

Aww, I get NO credit. Yeah, it was bad luck that provided that specific affliction. Besides, I cursed you.

I thought this was the case but you actually didnt curse my pretender till *after* he took the afflictions. I do give you some credit for good orders, but not for this It really was just insanely lucky.