Seeking Arrow Test (Updated 1st June 2009 to V1.1 with Death Bless tests)

[Gregstrom]

1) d, more or less. I think it's probably 8 damage +drn... -drn rolled by the defender. It would also be -armour, except it's AN damage.

2) The spell has a good chance of causing a chest wound as an affliction, although you'd need to ask lch or someone how that mechanism works.

3) Your evidence so far would suggest not.

[Redeyes]

Originally Posted by Calahan

a) 1-8
b) 1-8 + DRN
c) 8
d) 8 + DRN

I'm assuming it's probably b) but may well be d), but maybe that's the wrong assumption.

Supposedly 8 + DRN - DRN, if AN works like an attack against 0 protection

[Fate]

I was under the impression that dmg vs protection checks were not opposed rolls (meaning that it was always Damage+DRN-Prot with no -DRN).

[Redeyes]

Not at all, or well, I don't think the manual is lying.

Case in point: I just saw an angel of fury deal 21 damage on an attack with a gate cleaver.

An impossible result, the gate cleaver alone has 29 damage, if nothing subtracts from the damage roll.

[llamabeast]

You won't get an extra affliction coming from the D9 bless, since the extra 2AN attack only applies to melee weapons.

And yes, damage is 8 + DRN - DRN.

[lch]

Originally Posted by llamabeast

You won't get an extra affliction coming from the D9 bless, since the extra 2AN attack only applies to melee weapons.

To clarify: Internally, damage in Dom3 is always linked to an element, or to a magic path if you want. Almost all mundane weapons and most items have the type earth. Only Earth-based damage seems to get the death bless. That's why Blade Wind supposedly deals afflictions, but Seeking Arrow, which is Air-based, does not.

Yes, damage can be reduced to zero from the negative DRN roll. I've seen it happen a lot.

[Endoperez]

Originally Posted by lch

To clarify: Internally, damage in Dom3 is always linked to an element, or to a magic path if you want. Almost all mundane weapons and most items have the type earth. Only Earth-based damage seems to get the death bless. That's why Blade Wind supposedly deals afflictions, but Seeking Arrow, which is Air-based, does not.

This is really interesting! Are mundane missile weapons Earth or Air, then?

[llamabeast]

So "air" damage is different to shock damage I guess. Is the element "e.g. shock" a separate field to the magic path?

[thejeff]

I'd thought there was evidence that the affliction part of the Death bless worked with any battle magic and with rituals? Are you saying it only works with Earth spells? Are there any Earth based ritual attack spells?
Or are you saying the D9 bless does work with Earth spells?

[lch]

Originally Posted by llamabeast

So "air" damage is different to shock damage I guess. Is the element "e.g. shock" a separate field to the magic path?

I'm not too sure, but I think that something being air damage always means that it's AN. Might be, at least. I haven't looked that much into it yet, though. Weapons are not very high on my list.

Endo, I think almost all weapons are earth based. Those that just deal "normal" damage are, at least. Normal means Earth.

And I really haven't looked into this enough to make any definitive claims. I just see that damage is always getting a magic path associated to it, as I had a little look into it regarding Armageddon.

Originally Posted by thejeff

I'd thought there was evidence that the affliction part of the Death bless worked with any battle magic and with rituals? Are you saying it only works with Earth spells?

It is my impression that somebody tested this in the past and could only verify afflictions for Earth based spells like Blade Wind. I think I've seen somebody report from testgames on that, but I didn't check. I may as well be talking nonsense.