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Old January 15th, 2010, 02:33 PM
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Default Re: MRAPs and a couple of general questions.

MmmmK - my info was out-of-date, I stand corrected.
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Fallout Re: MRAPs and a couple of general questions.

Everything's good! There's just so much info out there I (we) end up "reacting" to it. This was good for me in that it showed me that my 3 primary sources were up to date, ahead of many others and accurate when cross referenced. I researched the sources and have only felt comfortable in the recent few months to start putting info out here (hence the year or so gap since I first posted.). It's not about who's right or wrong, or who can pile it on, personally I just want to be as accurate as possible, be informative, have some fun and hopefully see some of this equipment get into the game as time allows. The inputs I've recieved from some I hope I've learned from as I know my initial MRAP and Patriot battery posts caused some...,and as they did for me to. So I'll do the best I can and someday at the WinSPMBT retirement home we can sit around and have some good though I have to admit I'm pretty uncompromising in my tastes there, must be that Irish/German stock in me!?! Yes Don and Andy I'll get back on topic, is it just me or does it seem like they're just everywhere!?! Have a good night all and a great weekend!!
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Default Re: MRAPs and a couple of general questions.

Normally I copy down everything like this for the erros list to investigate but this thread I didn't becasue it was generating so much info. I have added somethings ( the RG35 for one ) but it's looking more and more like the existing work is going to take me right up to the release date in March.

What I need now is a consise list, by nation of every one of these vehicles that is KNOWN to be in production or in service. I don't need things that are on the drawing board that might/maybe be produced in 5 years.

Nation / Name of vehicle / Indroduction date / number of men it will carry / link to photograph and further information

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South Africa / RG35 / 2012 / 14 men / LINK

That will speed the process considerably

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Fallout Re: MRAPs and a couple of general questions.

Don,
Understand, keep items at "KISS" for upcoming patch. At your convenience, can you by the numbers just give me quick answers to the following:
1. Understand RG-35 is in (thanks!), do you need me to go back and resubmit the other equipment I've already posted as well on the MRAP/APC threads?
2. Is Singapore going in? Because of Terrex and others.
3. Plan to focus on the 2009-2012 time frame, is this acceptable to reduce load on all concerned or go further out for equipment to be fielded only within the time frame?
4. What's my deadline for submissions?
For your info will be on vacation away from home 1-9 Feb. Will post to my related threads and will suspend until the deadline my longer posts so you know there's something there for you or others that might be assisting you.
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1- What I need is a simple list like I described of the "for sure" vehicles to save a lot of time I really don't have to spare ATM

2- There is NO chance Singapore is going into the game. What you see now is what you get

3, see #1, I just want the "for sures"

4- the sooner the better but I still have 45 pages of items to get through plus a major comb through of the weapons data so I'm not at a loss for things to do. I don't "need" this until Mid Feb.

Like I said, I just need someone to comb through this thread and set down a nice simple list like I suggested and it will help me get though this faster. Given all I have to do there is always a chance only a few will get into this release but that all depends on what's left to do by the beginning of March. By then I will NOT have 8 + hours a day available to work on this



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Default Re: MRAPs and a couple of general questions.

As of December 2009, the number of MRAP variants and subvariants in service or being developed for the US military stood at 28, including the new M-ATV. The links provided are to the Globalsecurity.org site's main pages on the variants in question. There are additional links on those pages to information on the programs. I try to keep them more or less up to date. Any errors in the information here are my own.

The US Army's Program Executive Office Combat Support and Combat Service Support had been designated the joint program office for the MRAP program. Of the systems listed, only the M-ATV was listed as being at Milestone 6, Full-Rate Production. The rest of the vehicles were listed as Milestone 7, Operations and Sustainment. It would appear that so far, once an MRAP type has been accepted, there is no rush to phase it out.

An additional two vehicles were still being managed by the Program Manager for Anti-Mine Systems. This office had been the organization first bring MRAP type vehicles into inventory before the official start of the MRAP program in 2007.

The managed programs and systems directory for PEO CS&CSS can be found here (PDF).

Between 2002 and 2004, the US Army awarded contracts for the purchase of 25 Buffalo mine-protected vehicles through a company called Technical Solutions Group.

United States Army / Buffalo / 2003 / 2+4 men / LINK

These vehicles were procured as part of the Ground Stand-Off Mine Detection System (GSTAMIDS) program. Also acquired under this program were the Meerkat and Husky Mk I mine-detection vehicles. An improved Husky Mk II replaced both the Husky Mk I and the Meerkat components of the system by 2007. By 2008, the a variant of the Husky equipped with a ground penetrating radar detection system was fielded, referred to as the Husky Mounted Detection System (HMDS). The USMC is known to have borrowed some Husky vehicles for operations in Afghanistan in January 2009 and to have expressed interest in acquiring its own. A further improved Husky Mk III vehicle was introduced sometime in 2009.

United States Army / Meerkat/Husky Mk I / 2003 / No Passengers / LINK
United States Army / Husky Mk II / 2007 / No Passengers / LINK
United States Army / Husky Mk II HMDS / 2008 / No Passengers / LINK
USMC / Husky Mk II / 2009 / No Passengers / LINK
US Army / Husky Mk III / 2009 / No Passengers / LINK

Around the same time as the initial purchases of the Meerkat and Husky, the US Army made the decision to purchase a limited number of RG-31 MPVs as control vehicles for the GSTAMIDS vehicle team of Meerkat/Husky and Buffalos. The US Army acquired the first 9 RG-31 vehicles between 2003 and 2004.

United States Army / RG-31 / 2003 / 2+6 / LINK

In 2005, the US Army and USMC began investigating vehicles to transport engineer and EOD teams and provide them with additional protection against hazards they were increasingly facing in Iraq. The Medium Mine Protected Vehicle (MMPV) and Joint Explosive Ordnance Disposal (EOD) Rapid Response Vehicle (JERRV) were procured in mid-2005 for this purpose. The MMPV was more or less a COTS Force Protection Cougar 4x4, while the JERRV was a Cougar 6x6, which had been modified for the purposes of carrying necessary engineering/EOD equipment. JERRVs can be identified by various stowage boxes other 6x6 Cougars do not have. In the USMC, the vehicles were referred to as Hardened Engineering Vehicles (HEVs).

United States Army/USMC / Cougar 4x4/Cougar 6x6 / 2005 / 2+8 / LINK

In November 2006, the Mine-Resistant Ambush Protected (MRAP) vehicle program is formally initiated. It issues its first contracts in January 2007. The vehicles selected in its two categories, one for a 4x4 vehicle to conduct patrols and other missions being carried out by up-armored HMMWVs, and a 6x6 vehicle to conduct various support missions, are the Force Protection Cougar, International (later Navistar Defense) MaxxPro, Land Systems OMC RG-33L, Stewart and Stevenson Tactical Vehicle (later Global Tactical Systems) Caiman, and the Force Protection Buffalo. By June 2007, the Land Systems OMC RG-33 had been added to the Category I procurement. The RG-31, and an improved RG-31A1 are also procured later under Category I. The Buffalo was later moved to a Category III for vehicles tailored to dealing with IEDs and Mines.

United States Army / MaxxPro / 2007 / 2+6 / LINK
United States Army / Caiman / 2007 / 2+10 / LINK
United States Army / RG-31A1 / 2007 / 2+6 / LINK
United States Army/USMC / RG-33 / 2007 / ? / LINK
United States Army/USMC / RG-33L / 2007 / ? / LINK

In mid-2007, the MRAP JPO initiates work on an MRAP II program. This was in response to the increasing threat from Explosively Formed Penetrators (EFPs). Around the same time, a crash program to upgrade the armor on existing MRAPs to defeat these weapons comes into existence as well, the MRAP Expedient Armor Program (MEAP). The MRAP II program does not lead to any additional vehicle procurement directly. None of the vehicles apparently meet the desired requirements. However, Global Tactical Systems did offer a 4x4 Caiman "Light" as part of the program which was subsequently procured as part of the basic MRAP program as a standard Category I vehicle. The MEAP modifications become integrated into existing and new production vehicles. These are generally represented by an A2 designator, MEAP designator, or Plus designator, depending on manufacturer.

United States Army / Buffalo A2 / 2003 / 2+4 men / LINK
United States Army / Caiman Plus/Caiman Light/ / 2008 / 2+10 / LINK
United States Army/USMC / Cougar 4x4/Cougar 6x6 A2 / 2008 / 2+8 / LINK
United States Army/USMC / RG-33/L Plus / 2008 / ? / LINK
United States Army / MaxxPro MEAP/Plus / 2008 / 2+6 / LINK

In early 2008, the US Army also successfully tested its Self Protection Adaptive Roller Kit (SPARK; a mine-roller) on the RG-31 series vehicles. This roller kit was also deployed on HMMWVs and 5-ton trucks.

United States Army / UA HMMWV w/ SPARK / 2008 / ? / LINK
United States Army / RG-31/A1 w/ SPARK / 2008 / 2+6 / LINK
United States Army / M900-series w/ SPARK / 2008 / ? / LINK

By Mid-2008, the US Army and USMC have begun procurement of a further improved RG-31 series vehicle, the Mk 5E. This vehicle is also referred to as the RG-31A2. The RG-31A3, which I believe is the Mk 6 vehicle, was procured further after that, but it is unclear when. I'm also unclear when Navistar Defense released the MaxxPro Dash, a lighter weight, higher performance version of the standard MaxxPro vehicle.

United States Army/USMC / RG-31 Mk 5E/A2 / Mid-2008 / 2+6 / LINK
United States Army/USMC / RG-31A3 / Late-2008? / 2+6 / LINK
United States Army / MaxxPro Dash / 2008? / 2+4 / LINK

Almost all MRAP vehicles have been fitted with, to some degree, remote weapon stations. The types fitted appear to be either the XM101 CROWS or XM153 CROWS II. This appears to have started in early 2008. Variants of the RG-33 family have also been procured specially configured for special operations use since the beginning of the MRAP program.

United States Army/USMC / RG-33L Heavily Armored Ground Ambulance (HAGA) / 2007 / ? / LINK
United States Army/USMC / RG-33 USSOCOM / 2007-2008 / ? / LINK
United States Army/USMC / RG-33L USSOCOM Armored Utility Vehicle (AUV) / 2008 / ? / LINK
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For WinSPMBT purposes you could easily ignore the USMC "Joint Explosive Ordnance Disposal (EOD) Rapid Response Vehicle (JERRV)"/"Hardened Engineering Vehicle (HEV)".

While they could be of use for a "insurgent ambushing an EOD team" type scenario, they're used only by EOD and not something you'd ever see in a "combat zone".
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Someone is there an auto save or save draft mode for these posts. Trying to get MRAP updates in and when I go to preview the post I'm timed out or something? Getting frustrated!! And time is short before I leave. Maybe
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I had the same problem trying to put in info about British, Dutch, and Canadian MRAPs. I really should make the post again, but I got frustrated initially and bailed on it.
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Here we go again:

Netherlands / RG-31 Nyala / Late 2006 / 2+6 / link
Netherlands / Bushmaster MPV / October 2006 / ? / link
Netherlands / Bushmaster MPV w/ ROI Raven R-400 RWS / ~2007 / ? / link

The Dutch only received 5 RG-31s from Canadian Forces in Afghanistan until the arrival of their Bushmasters in October 2006. This is probably a debatable addition.

Canada / Buffalo / Late-2007 / 2+4 men / link
Canada / Cougar 6x6 / Late-2007 / 2+8 men / link

These are debatable since Canada is reported to have acquired only 5 of each.

UK / Mastiff 2 / June 2009 / 2+8 men / link
UK / Wolfhound / Late-2009 / ? / link
UK / Husky / Late-2009 / ? / link

Woulfhound is the British name for Force Protection's new Tactical Support Vehicle (TSV), a Cougar variant. The Husky is based on Navistar's MXT family, a losing entry in the M-ATV program. There is some suggestion that the British Army is using a 4x4 Cougar A2 variant, referred to as the Ridgeback, essentially a 4x4 version of the Mastiff. I can't seem to find any concrete info on this quickly and its not the on the MoD website.

UK / Ridgeback / Mid-Late-2009/Early-2010? / ? / link, link 2

The British also contracted with Technical Solutions Group (an entity related to what is now Force Protection) in 2001 for the delivery of 8 mine protected vehicles based on the Lion 4x4, the vehicle from which the Buffalo and Cougar were eventually derived. The Buffalo was derived from the 6x6 Lion II vehicle, while the Cougar was a vastly improved derivative of the original 4x4 vehicle. It is not at all clear what happened to the vehicles. Delivery was apparently complete by February 2003 and there was still mention of the vehicles as of 2006 (referred to only as Mine Protected Vehicles). These vehicles were referred to as Tempest by TSG, Typhoon being the name initially applied to the 6x6 variant that became the basis for the Cougar.

UK / Tempest / February 2003 / 2+6 / link, link 2


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