Making something out of nothing (Can you turn this into a Thug?) - Page 5

chrispedersen · #41 April 7th, 2010, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Olive

And what would you give Skrattis ? I'm actually playing Utgard (sp game) and don't know what would suit them well. I mean, they're obvious thugs, but it's so tempting to give them full equipment. If it's possible to boost them with only a few gems...

Shroud of the Battle Saint seems OK, even with minor blesses (Actually I've a F4A4W4E4S6N4 bless). A pendant of luck too.

Otherwise, I miss ideas of for cheap and efficient items.

Boots of the messenger if no reinvigoration bless ?
If no interesting bless, a robe of shadows ? (but it's 10 pearls and 0 protection).
Frost brand ? But the cold protection will be useless, maybe an enchanted sword to boost att/def.

Shield : I guess a raw hide shield or the cheap astral shield will do the job. Or a lucky coin, it spares the pendant of luck.

That would be 20 N/S gems without forge bonus.

Any better ideas ? With a preference for Utgard's national paths ( S N D W B )

Take a look at baalz's guide. But I am way in favor of dual wielding blood thorns, and probably AMR.

Olive · #42 April 7th, 2010, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by chrispedersen

Take a look at baalz's guide. But I am way in favor of dual wielding blood thorns, and probably AMR.

Great, thanks. Didn't thought of the Axe, seems like good stuff.

Wrana · #43 April 8th, 2010, 09:53 AM

A Leo? (LA Pythium Mythraist heretic with F1) He has good stats for human and comes with armor and sword...
Vanherse/Helcarl/Dis? They are Vans and would probably be good - but Vanjarls are so much better! The question is - is there a cheap way to use them as something other than troop leaders. I thought about using missile weapons, but am not sure...
Amazons? I mean Priestesses and Sorceresses of various independent Amazon tribes. Of course, they are mostly useful for magic diversity - but did anybody use them as thugs?

aaminoff · #44 April 8th, 2010, 11:05 AM

I am in an MP game as Helheim and I have started recruiting a couple of Vanherses to be archers. With A1 you can self buff Aim, and they start with Prec 14 or so. The only equipment you need is the bow itself; these guys should stay in the back shooting, behind a screen of PD or whatever else is on the battlefield. So they are not thugs as such, but they are a way to use a cheaper commander instead of the ubiquitous Vanjarl. It's a side strategy, about 60-80% of my commanders are Vanjarls with golden shield & brand. I should add that I'm using an E9N4 bless.

Helcarls are actually pretty good for initial expansion, and do nearly as well as the Vanjarls as thugs early on. Unfortunately what sends the Vanjarl from good to awesome is Mistform. So one could have a bunch of Helcarls and Helhirdings and have a Hangadrott apply Fog Warriors. But at that point, again, these are not thugs, they're just very good line troops.

chrispedersen · #45 April 8th, 2010, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Wrana

A Leo? (LA Pythium Mythraist heretic with F1) He has good stats for human and comes with armor and sword...
Vanherse/Helcarl/Dis? They are Vans and would probably be good - but Vanjarls are so much better! The question is - is there a cheap way to use them as something other than troop leaders. I thought about using missile weapons, but am not sure...
Amazons? I mean Priestesses and Sorceresses of various independent Amazon tribes. Of course, they are mostly useful for magic diversity - but did anybody use them as thugs?

Best leo thug would be phoenix pyre. Give him a crystal heart if you absolutely feel required to give him gear.

Wrana · #46 April 8th, 2010, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by chrispedersen

Best leo thug would be phoenix pyre. Give him a crystal heart if you absolutely feel required to give him gear.

But he can't cast it!

chrispedersen · #47 April 9th, 2010, 12:44 PM

huh? why not? just give him fire gems

Sombre · #48 April 9th, 2010, 03:11 PM

He'd suck with pyre, because he'd have insane fatigue just from casting it.

chrispedersen · #49 April 9th, 2010, 04:48 PM

Well, he sucks as a thug generally. But he's cheap enough to throw 5-6 of them at a starting army and blow it up using pyre.

We have demonstrated that multiple gems will remove fatigue btw.. so if you give him 4-5 gems you might be able to control the fatgue question. I'm uncertain of that.

But like I said... if you feel compelled, give him the heart which does reinvig 10.

Calahan · #50 April 9th, 2010, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by chrispedersen

...We have demonstrated that multiple gems will remove fatigue btw.. so if you give him 4-5 gems you might be able to control the fatgue question...

He's only got one level in Fire magic, so is only able to use one fire gem, so won't be able to reduce his casting fatigue by burning extra gems.