Restart on MA Abandoned Game - Started

[chrispedersen]

Ah how convenient it is to pass treachery off as noble intention.
Convenient, but not truthful; you are a liar.

You have 6 raiding groups in my land. Four of these raiding groups were headed by fully kitted thugs. To build units in your capitol, equip them, move them to your border and then stealth them deep into my lands means that you were committed to war with me long before I attacked marignon.

It also means you had no intentions of honoring the nap you agreed to now three turns ago - let alone the flowery language where you said you would never move south of our border.

Yes, I attacked marignon, nations do that. The difference between us was that I made no pretext about it; I didn't add the insult of lying.

As for your chicken little protestations - "Beware! -mictlan attacks marignon!" Man is the biggest nation in the game. The changes in CBM have made his blessed stealthy sacreds and thugs deadly. And he attacks without honor.

I was going to say nothing in this little dance of ours - until you decided to bruit crap to the winds.

To the nations that border man I would suggest he deserves the same crap he has pulled. Attack without warning, regardless of your nap status. Never let him know when the knives may come.

I still have a 600+ man army, and I am still recruiting mictlans justly famous jaguar warriors. But in the long term - no nation can hope to prevail against a much bigger nation without aid.

Man is now twice as big as mictlan - more than twice as big as any other nation in the game. How big do you want him to get before you act?

[Rytek]

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Chris, I give you permission to post every PM we have between each other. Either produce the post that we agreed to a NAP, or I demand an apology for knowingly making a false stament against me. I have all of my turns saved in email and will happily forward them to a known neutral party for review if you even think to suggest that our NAP came in game. Give me permission and I will happily post our PM's if you somehow lost or deleted our NAP agreement.

I believe you have been very busy and did not have internet access lately- maybe you did not have time to fully review your PM's.

I do not mind you using hyperbole against me and overstating the nature of my forces in your dominion (which is in fact mostly true) and I suppose you think it took me a long time to move those forces into your dominion when in fact it only took 1 turn (of course you could not see them because they were stealthed). All of these things are in game; go ahead and say what you like about the game.

Saying that I broke A NAP that we had agreed upon I do take personal. It has multi-game implications which I refuse to let you get away with.

[chrispedersen]

Arg. Post monster ate a large and detailed post. I'll summarize it.

Rytek has said he did not get message from me confirming a nap.
Since its possible I screwed up, but I can't prove anything, not having any old messages I will recind that portion of the accusation.

Honestly, I dont understand how he can say:

Give me permission and I will happily post our PM's if you somehow lost or deleted our NAP agreement.

and then say we didn't have a nap. I think its a freudian slip. But maybe.

Regarding the rest - I do want to distinguish between Rytek the very competent dominions player and rytek the low down, evil, lying man scoundrel. My comments are directed to the latter. And I probably should have been more temperate. Especially in light of the sombre mood around here =).

That said, I do believe the accusation of liar is accurate.

I have no intentions of crossing in to Mictlan territory any time soon. I would be open to any trade or information swaps you may wish to know.

He sent troops in the next turn. And helping Marignon had nothing to do with his intentions.

Don't let Mictlin fool you in to thinking that man is the bigger threat. No one else was willing to step up to help tiny Marigon as Mictlin moved his giant army to gobble them up.

In fact he sent troops in *before* I attacked Marignon.

I do not mind you using hyperbole against me and overstating the nature of my forces in your dominion (which is in fact mostly true) and I suppose you think it took me a long time to move those forces into your dominion when in fact it only took 1 turn (of course you could not see them because they were stealthed).

Stealthy troops move 1 province per turn (unless flying etc). So its quite easy to track how long ago you were commited to this. You were sieging my capitol two turns ago for crying out loud! (since beaten off).

As for the rest, I said nothing profane, nor knowingly false. But I should have distinguished better between the player and the nation; and been more temperate.

Fair Ry?

[Rytek]

I accept your apology. No freudian slip, just bad wording. I am recently out of work and have lots of time on my hand so I may check this board neurotically too much. I called you out so vigorously because I knew it wasnt there. I never sent you a NAP proposal. So you couldn't have sent a NAP reply. In any case, I realize other people have lots of stuff going on in their lives and you may have really thought we had a nap.

As to the other accusations, I will consider them in game spin on your part. My reply is, hey, I have a nation full of stealthy guys. We had no nap and your attention was elswhere. We have a very large border. As far as when and how/ MAN considers them state secrets only to be revealed after the game has concluded. But know this. Any one of my provinces could have 40 stealthed wardens in it, and you wouldnt know about it.

[chrispedersen]

Actually,
the turn you build them, I do know about them =)

[chrispedersen]

The lamaserver hosted at least a few minutes early. And there is again an error on the llamatimers.

I know that I did not get my turn till late last night - came to finish it up and it had already hosted.

Really sucks when you are getting gangbanged 2:1 with no production.

[Peacekeeper]

i know ive been getting the 8 hour hosting warnings at very early times.

[chrispedersen]

I'm at work, and I know I will not be able to get home even prior to hosting.

Can we get the hosting schedule +8 hrs? and/or get an 8 hour delay?

[chrispedersen]

1. I am moving today and tomorrow. Can I get a 12 hour extension?

2. Mictlan is more or less finished. I can hold up in my forts and make it miserable for a sieger for a few turns.

I hereby dissolve my naps with all players and encourage you to take whatever mictlan provinces you can.

3. I haven't even looked at the turn, but I was hit with 180 wardens; I have no hope of victory against such forces. I am sure that mictlans army and fortress was captured.

I suggest you start working on your plans on how to deal with man.

[rmcolosimo]

Will do a 24 hour just in case.