MP: Apotheosis [Running]

[Verjigorm]

May I have the last spot as Ashdod?

I vote for CBM.

I'm lukewarm (barely No) on EGD.

[don_Pablo]

I'd prefer with Endgame Diversity but without CBM

[Amadamus]

Call me a spoil sport Verjigorm, but i vote for a ban on Ashdod. It really just is the most overpowered of all the nations.

[Verjigorm]

Such may be the case in other eras, but in MA? I don't think so... Let us consult the Great Oracle who sayeth:

Mid(68.000000)

MA Pythium : 9.00
MA Shinuyama : 6.00
MA Pangaea : 5.50
MA R'lyeh : 4.50
MA Abysia : 4.50
MA Jotunheim : 4.00
MA Mictlan : 4.00
MA Ulm : 3.33
MA Ermor : 3.00
MA Caelum : 3.00
MA Marignon : 2.00
MA Oceania : 2.00
MA C'tis : 2.00
MA Vanheim : 2.00
Nehekara : 1.50
MA Machaka : 1.33
MA Man : 1.33
MA Ulm Reborn : 1.00
MA Arcoscephale : 1.00
MA Arga Dis : 1.00
MA Ashdod : 1.00
MA Atlantis : 1.00
Itza : 1.00
MA Bandar Log : 1.00
MA Nehekhara : 1.00
MA T'ien Ch'i : 0.50
MA Agartha : 0.50

It appears that your selection, Ermor, has a much higher win rate than Ashdod, and Pythium seems the least balanced. I hold the opinion that Pythium is still the most powerful MA nation, but I would never request that someone relinquish their selection of it.

According to the chart for other eras, only Hinnom has a high win rate, and even that is eclipsed by Sauromatia. Perhaps you are simply intimidated because we're bigger than you? Hwahwahwahwahwa!

[Greyjoy]

One of my friends who just got the game wants to play as Marignon, but it's taking a bit for his forum account to get confirmed.

I'd like to reserve a spot for him.

[Verjigorm]

How can you reserve a spot for someone who is not yet playing when they are all taken? Another option would be to either increase the maximum number of players or change maps and do the same. Since there was no problem getting 10 people, we could quite easily change maps and do 12-14 people...

I would love to play on my map, the Abstract Sky Tower. It's not as pretty as the cradle, but I think it's a pretty fair map, and quite easily adjustable to a Capitol VPs Map.

See here:

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=45704

[Greyjoy]

Oh. I can't count. Thought there was still a spot.

Edited to add: Whichever people feel like. There'll be another game sometime soon regardless.

[Amadamus]

Ah yes skewed results Verjigorm... the reason Ashdod doesnt feature on those wins there is becasue the general deal is that Ashdod is banned - can't win if it doesn't play.

I think you will find that the general consensus is Ashdod is a game wrecker if played by anyone with a little competence.

Therefore, i move the motion that Ashdod is ommitted from the picks.

And I would rather we stick to the original 10 players. Its a nice map and 10 players is a good number for it.

[Numahr]

By the way, on Pythium being the least balanced, please know that I have only started 1 MP game that is not completed yet. So you can consider that my lack of experience makes it somehow for Pythium's natural strenghths.

[Kadelake]

I think we should let Grayjoys friend join and keep the map. It should work for 11 players as well, especially with two of players underwater.

I'm reluctant to ban any nations. Ashdod is one of the best nation (certainly better then the number of wins in hall of fame make it look like) but there are several other really good nations as well. The game just isn't completely balanced. It's my opinion that it's mostly chance that determines which player turns out to have the best conditions. A lucky starting position and lucky site searching might tip the scale more then the nations advantage.

I guess one of the reasons that Ashdod haven't got more registered wins are because of their fearsome reputation. If people know Ashdod are really strong, they might be more inclined to gang up on them.