MP: STACKERS, newbie game, (started)

[Amadamus]

Originally Posted by 13lackGu4rd

see, the thing is, I didn't stuff my turn! I know fully well what I did and didn't do, and if it was simply a matter of wrong scripting than I would have just moved on! but it wasn't! why on earth would I specifically cast dispel 4 times and target each of my globals in each time? heck, why would I even cast dispel in the first place? if that Mother Oak of Man bothered me so much I'd have dispelled it long ago... also why on earth would I lie about summoning the royalties, wishing, etc and why would I give up on a perfectly fine and probably still winning position if it wasn't for something actually extreme?

now, stuff your poor warlocks and BoT already, that's something in game which can be dealt with. I won't open up that drama again, but if you still don't know how you should have countered it after all the discussions you invoked on it and the answers you received, than the problem is 100% yours... so go ahead, put up Arcane Nexus and Forge of the Ancients together, and equip like 20 thugs/SCs each turn for dirt cheap and gaining most of your gems back from the nexus. at least it's something in game which means it can be handled in game, and if not than you won fair and square. this is not the situation here, and I'm repeating this for 1 last time!

learn to read, work on your reading comprehension, I don't know what, but please start to understand what you're reading! I really didn't use difficult language, and it seems like you're just trying to piss me off by repeating your nonsense even after I already replied to it, heck I replied on it even before you made your first post!

But my Warlocks....

For someone who didn't want to open up that drama again, you sure didn't try very hard.

I understand that something has gone wrong with your turn.

I understand you are annoyed about it

I understand that instead of considering your own potential error in the matter you would rather rant and rave and blame outside interference.

I understand that your pretender had a password so there is no chance of someone else doing the job on you.

The only thing i don't understand is why would you dispel your own globals??

[Amadamus]

Originally Posted by Gandalf Parker

Actually, it does appear in the logs that certain units took steps to specifically undo their earlier actions.
It does not appear to be just "lack of actions" as would be true for a botched turn.

So does that mean that there possibly is an infiltrator?

[Gandalf Parker]

Originally Posted by Amadamus

So does that mean that there possibly is an infiltrator?

Yes, it seems someone may have purposely taken action that might kill the game.

Im still considering on the AI request. Im not sure if seeking a sub to step in will allow the game to properly continue or not.

[Amadamus]

Well thats a bit crap... sort of screws the game somewhat.

Anyways to catch the culprit? Does the server record the IP of those who connect in the logs? If it is a player of another nation wouldn't be hard to match them up with their previous logins.

[Gandalf Parker]

I dont have IP logging on by default. At times I have over 100 Dom3 games running on the server. Just logging the webserver, ftp, ssh, telnet, mail, etc is enough of a load.

But when something like this comes up, it is possible for me to start logging IPs for a particular Dom3 game. I will be watching this one.

Its also possible to insure that only one player can see a nation, or turn in turns for a nation, even if the password is known. Its not something I would turn on for every player in every game but is available for problem situations.

But this is all just discussion of server options. It does appear that its too late to be of much help for THIS game.

[Amadamus]

The bugger now is that there is the nasty spectre of suspicion hanging over the game. Personally, i think this kills it - BG should get the win by default, not a very satisfying way to win i admit.

Shame...

[Gandalf Parker]

It is ALSO an option to roll back to that turn, allow BG to input a new turn, and re-host.
But that can screw up things really badly. Anyone who has already downloaded this turn has to delete it
On the other hand, if the alternative is just calling the game......

But I will leave that up to you people. I will abide by a general decision this one time.

[Amadamus]

Originally Posted by Gandalf Parker

It is ALSO an option to roll back to that turn, allow BG to input a new turn, and re-host.
But that can screw up things really badly. Anyone who has already downloaded this turn has to delete it
On the other hand, if the alternative is just calling the game......

But I will leave that up to you people. I will abide by a general decision this one time.

There is that option, but it is the actual act itself which sullies the vibe of the contest. Plus, even though it is unlikely, there is always the suspicion of it happening again this time more subtlely.

see what others think.

[Squirrelloid]

Seriously, the only logical choices are to rollback or call the game. Rlyeh's position is ruined by deliberate sabotage. No one should sub into that position. This is far worse than a game bug.

BG may even have the .2h file he submitted (assuming he hasn't saved after looking at the new turn), so it may be pretty easy to re-upload.

I will note that there's no way for the hacker to look at BG's submitted orders, so subtle sabotage would be hard. He can't just change things - he gets the .trn file and can input his own orders. He can't get the submitted .2h file unless he's actually hacked the server itself.

[Verjigorm]

I don't understand why someone would want to cheat at a strategy game like this. The purpose is to learn and develop strategy. If one's only goal is to win so that one can have some sort of "Wingasm" or for Internet notoriety on a low-population forum board then that person a giant douchebag and they fail at life.

Why? Because such a person is not smart enough to handle situations on their own, but they want people to think that they are. They don't seek to become better able to succeed, only to pretend to succeed, and such a person is likely to be the same in real life as they are in fake life.

In closing.

I vote to roll back the turn(s), even though my stake in the game has been reduced to near nothing.

Don't play douchey....