MP: MA CBM Game Greenstone Bandar Log Victor

[ghoul31]

Originally Posted by Graeme Dice

He's beating you. That doesn't mean that he's beating everyone else, especially those of us who can match him in astral power. His pretender just died for example.

He has 3 times your income, almost 3 times your gem income, almost 3 times as many provinces, so yea he's beating you.

Machaka and Vanheim seemd to have stopped playing, Abyssia is fighting ctis for some reason.

But if think you can win, I'll keep playing.

[zegc-ben]

I haven't stopped playing, just that after loosing badly to Ctis I dont have many things to do except trying to defend what is left. I will keep playing until a winner is decided.

[Hoplosternum]

Originally Posted by Grijalva

But frankly, be more afraid of Mictlan, you all look at provinces and income, but he's been sitting on power comparable to mine and has fought only like one war the whole game. Take a look at his forts: hundreds of sacreds just sitting there, it will take a long time for this game to finish I believe.

Defensively I am pretty strong and I have enough mages, SCs and sacreds to make attacking me tough. And it's fun being able to cast just about every spell in the game. I think it is only Wish/other astral 9s I don't have a caster (with the right boosters) for at this point

But I can't make any progress against you and you have been way ahead in gems and especially income for many many turns. Income may not seem that important at this stage but I am sure with 8-10,000 a turn you must easily be able to recruit a mage in each of your 30 forts every turn if needed?. I doubt anyone can come close to that. In fact the rest of us would probably struggle to build 30 mages a turn between us after upkeep now. And while my army is still larger than yours it's mostly free chaff where as yours is not.

I am happy to concede at this point. The turns are taking a long long time now and I think if we continue as we are we will all slowly be killed off by Bandar. Why put him or ourselves through that? I had my chances in this game and did not take them. But I think Bandar has played very well. He built his alliance, took his chances and (with help) took out the early game leader. Then nobbled his closest rival R'lyeh in a single turn. He seems to have held off and even made gains against three of his closest rivals while massively building his gem and gold income up.

However with a bit of cooperation, and if Abysia and Helheim were to attack him as well, this game is certainly not over. I think Bandar might struggle to fight us all at once, but it would be close - he's a long way ahead now and especially deadly on the defensive where his massive communions/astral power is a killer when he gets the first shot in.

So I don't want to call for the end the game if others really want to continue. I am happy to carry on if others want to.

So what do others want to do? Call it a day and crown Bandar? Or carry on fighting?

[Graeme Dice]

Well, if everybody else really, absolutely feels like they can't possibly defeat Bandar Log, then we can call the game. I'm not so sure that they'd win in the long run though if everybody turned on them.

[Hoplosternum]

Originally Posted by Graeme Dice

Well, if everybody else really, absolutely feels like they can't possibly defeat Bandar Log, then we can call the game. I'm not so sure that they'd win in the long run though if everybody turned on them.

I am happy to continue. And I think the rest of us have a reasonable chance against him if we cooperate.

Not sure how fair an everyone vs Bandar fight is though. It would be interesting but would it be satisfying?

I'm game to play as long as everyone else wants to continue, but would be happy to accept victory if that's what people want too.

My thoughts:

Actually I'm already at war with every neighbor I have except for Machacka and a thin sliver of border with Ctis, so it kinda IS everyone-vs-Bandar. Now if you guys start pooling your gems, declare full peace and everything then you could give me a hell of a fight; I could very well lose after a number of turns.

However, after coordinating such a massive alliance, at some point its just going to switch over to the same discussion about Mictlan, then on the the next major power or back to me and so on.

So whatever works for everyone. However, I do want to say that everyone I have fought so far has played very well and its been a very fun game, in fact, for most of the game there were almost no stales!

[Calahan]

Just a quick post to say I have no say in whether Bandar are crowned champions or not. As my job as Ermor is purely to make sure nobody gets the Oak of Ages for free.

And maybe also to take the odd pot-shot at anyone who strays nearby

[Hadrian_II]

i will go to holyday, and as was not able to find a sub (forget to look for one on time) and that C'tis is beaten anyway, i set C'tis to AI.

have fun with the game

P.S. i sent the gamepassword to Grijalva

[Calahan]

Grijalva/Bandar staled again. That's two on the bounce now. I'd hate to see all his hard work ruined by a few stales.

Not sure what to do about it though

[welltimat]

I know such a feeling. When you are on the top and then you feel that you start sliding down. Sometimes it really kills the will to continue the game. Should either grasp yourself or find a replacement sub.