When it gets past 2020...

[Imp]

Greif little in all likely hood will change the fanbase will most likely slowly shrink & the game will continue in its final form. Chances of it getting further game engine updates will be very slim need a major programing fan or 2 to step in. Emulators will run it on future operating sytstems & if they cant there is a reasonably good chance somebody will hot fix the game so it works. People will start dabling more with OOBs n come up with there version, so some nations will die out past 2020 as nobody does a new OOB for it. Shrapnel will still keep this site active for a while they dont just shut the door n say tough & a few people might set up a site of there own. Look at SPWAW & its still going, infact it probably gets better support now than Matrix ever gave it though that wont be the case with this game.
What does all this mean
You will have to get more hands on getting it to run might take a bit of dedication, playing a battle after 2020 will require you to swap OOBs (dead easy) & send a copy to your opponent for PBEMs. Need to swap cause without recoding playing a battle in 2021 means you will have to use a diffrent date to simulate it say 1951 -60 represent 2021-30 You might be more inclined to build your own OOBs for your favorite countries or modify somebodys take on it. Finland certainly wont stop in 2020 its more a case of which one to choose based on past record
If you like to play all your battles in the current year then you had best learn the OOB editor but if you play as most do battles from diffrent time periods you will continue fighting the battles you always have. And you might just decide to download somebodys OOB & take it for a spin if fancy playing something based in the current year. After all 1 or 2 people still play WinSPWW2 & the dates there ended 60 odd years ago.
1 fan with programing skills capable of getting it running & a good search engine to find it is all it will take to keep this game alive on the majority of systems so your in the lap of the gods that your system isnt the one it wont work on & that this guy exists somewhere out there.
If Don n Andy are kind enough to release the CD version to the public domain once they feel the profits have dried up theres a good chance these games will outlive them. People arent going to stop downloading this "old school" game n trying it just because its 2020 something the same type of person will try it & like it as now.

[Roman]

My previous post was in jest and sarcasm . Now I'm serious.
I do not understand the problem of the game engine. It is obvious that this game is tactical, so that guns are more or less conventional. If you continue to update the database on conventional weapons this game would never end. Or am I wrong? Sorry but I do not understand the focus of the topic .
If someone asks for nuclear weapons or strategic missiles I think it is obvious that these weapons are not for this game.
If may be that the problem lies with the compatibility with new operating systems. If that is the problem personally will try to always have an xp. In fact I have xp and not the scum of windws 7 lol

[troopie]

When it gets past 2020 all the or nearly all, the orbat work will have been done. Do you play SPWW2? World War 2 has been over for 66 years (in Europe at least) and that's still a good game.

Hell, I play Boer War scenarios in Age of Rifles, and that war has been over for more than a hundred years. I can't see that the passing of a year means diddle-um squat in gaming terms.

troopie

[Marcello]

Originally Posted by troopie

When it gets past 2020 all the or nearly all, the orbat work will have been done. Do you play SPWW2? World War 2 has been over for 66 years (in Europe at least) and that's still a good game.
troopie

There are 92 OOBs in the game: many are third world or unpopular countries that have received little attention and would profit from overhauls. Also note that issues dating back to WW2, such as the armor quality of german AFVs, are still being debated decades later: things like the armor of the Abrams won't be publicized for quite a long time.

[gila]

Good old fashioned highly trained boots on the ground took UBL completely by surprise,no high tech drones or smart bombs needed,yes OT but what the hell,in the U.S we are very proud of the special ops now and the money spent on training them alot less than billions or trillions spent on pie in the sky Wonder Weapons.

[gila]

[quote=Marcello;776826]

Originally Posted by troopie

There are 92 OOBs in the game: many are third world or unpopular countries that have received little attention and would profit from overhauls. Also note that issues dating back to WW2, such as the armor quality of german AFVs, are still being debated decades later: things like the armor of the Abrams won't be publicized for quite a long time.

Not many if any 3rd world countries will get the most advanced MBT's,Abrams,Merkava ect.any time soon in the future, as in this uneasy politcal climate they could very well be used against NATO.
Any Arab nation (pakistan for one) and N.Korea especially!

[Marcello]

Originally Posted by gila

Not many if any 3rd world countries will get the most advanced MBT's,Abrams,Merkava ect.any time soon in the future, as in this uneasy politcal climate they could very well be used against NATO.
Any Arab nation (pakistan for one) and N.Korea especially!

That's completely besides the point, which is that a lot of minor OOBs are off mark in terms of presence or absence of certain weapons, availability dates, formations etc.
Have you seen the differences between the iraqi OOB of four years ago and the current one? Or how much the north korean one has changed in the last two years? It may well be that a lot of these issues in others OOBs will never be fixed for lack of time. And in 2050 we will be still discussing how much Abrams armor was capable in 1985, just like we are still discussing the metallurgy of King Tiger armor in 1945.

As for the rest Abrams are already assembled in Egypt and have been sold to Saudi Arabia and Kuwait. None of which could use them against NATO without magic teleporting.

[Griefbringer]

Originally Posted by gila

Any Arab nation (pakistan for one)

You might want to check your maps, Pakistan is not an Arab nation and not even located particularly close to them (the closest one seems to be Oman, on the other side of the Gulf of Oman, ie. several hundred kilometers away).

[FASTBOAT TOUGH]

I have to agree with MARCELLOS last post, dealing with some of the smaller countries in the game. In the last patch post I ran into this situation (And others.) with Malaysia concerning the PT-91 MBT, saw some info on it, investigated it, found changes needed to made to it, and submitted the info. The problem was I kept seeing references to an ADNAN APC-so what? Here's a country I've never used in the game or gave much thought to, I find an article or two on a tank upgrade and the next thing I know I'm "going down the rabbit hole" chasing APCs that Malaysia has had for at least 8 yrs. In total we got the tank upgrade, 6 or 7 ADNAN variants, 2 or 3 APC deletions (Never got those units.) and 2 new APCs being fielded in 2012 (Thanks Don.), All by accident, because of a tank issue. The work isn't easy and I would submit based on my small contribution to the game thus far, that at least a third of what we add or delete will come from "accidents" similiar to the example above. I would refer you to the APC thread Post #62 for further information. And the armor point is well taken also.

Regards,
Pat

[Roman]

Originally Posted by FASTBOAT TOUGH

I have to agree with MARCELLOS last post, dealing with some of the smaller countries in the game. In the last patch post I ran into this situation (And others.) with Malaysia concerning the PT-91 MBT, saw some info on it, investigated it, found changes needed to made to it, and submitted the info. The problem was I kept seeing references to an ADNAN APC-so what? Here's a country I've never used in the game or gave much thought to, I find an article or two on a tank upgrade and the next thing I know I'm "going down the rabbit hole" chasing APCs that Malaysia has had for at least 8 yrs. In total we got the tank upgrade, 6 or 7 ADNAN variants, 2 or 3 APC deletions (Never got those units.) and 2 new APCs being fielded in 2012 (Thanks Don.), All by accident, because of a tank issue. The work isn't easy and I would submit based on my small contribution to the game thus far, that at least a third of what we add or delete will come from "accidents" similiar to the example above. I would refer you to the APC thread Post #62 for further information. And the armor point is well taken also.

Regards,
Pat

Yes. I think they is doing much to update the game data. I thank you and those who are doing research on the units.
It is true that maybe need to see present before the future.