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[Legendary League]

See above.

As for Gath, that is to be expected. He might be running a heavy bless and using commanders and his prophet to solo provinces. Strong start if he does it right, but it does constrain his late game more with the limited paths and worse scales overall. Or he might be running a scales approach, I dunno.

[Vishniac]

Originally Posted by Legendary League

...using commanders and his prophet to solo provinces.

Gath can solo provinces with just his commanders?!?
Wow! Could well be what is happening: his 2 Hall-of-famers are neither prophet nor pretender.

There are many nations in this game that I have never played and thus I know nothing about: Tien Chi / Gath / Patala / Chelms / Jomon
I really need to do my homework when I'll meet them on the ground, otherwise I'm in for some nasty surprises

As for advertising weaknesses...I didn't give any numbers.

[Legendary League]

I'm fairly certain Gath can do it with his sacred commanders with the right bless (E9N4, or somesuch, I believe), if not with a small attachment of giants. I know their earlier counterparts (Himmon, Ashdod) can do it more or less, and other glamour/ponymen nations can pull it off with just a smidgen of research (for Vanheim/Helheim, Eriu/Tir'Na'Nog, hit alt-3 for Mistform and combine that with an E9N4 bless and you're good to go with all of them, since they can be thugged out easily). Midgard can still do this, but Vans are cap-only for them, and they have werewolves to do their expansion/mid game needs for them.

[Vishniac]

I don't know what is the norm here but...having a NAP with someone and watching one of his assassins trying to kill a commander of mine, well, that's not what I would call clever diplomacy.


Someone shall learn that cheating C'tis it is courting Death itself!

[Immaculate]

Yeah- thats a pretty bad break of a NAP. I think you are well within your right to point out the guilty party so that we are all aware of who is willing to break their NAPs so very easily.

[Vishniac]

Originally Posted by Immaculate

I think you are well within your right to point out the guilty party...

Let's stay cold-blooded! (easier for C'tis )

I am reluctant to do so before being 100% sure that it's really a transgression.
Launching far away spells (earthquakes, hurricanes, seeking arrows,...) during a NAP seems ok (even if the guilty party, though anonymous, is well known) so I had to ask about 'special actions' like assassinations. It seems it's not. Good!
I have to ask about the CBM 1.92 too: I never experienced such a random event as an assassination attempt in SP. That said, it wasn't written "X attacks C'tis" but "Independents attacks C'tis". I haven't enough MP experience to know whether it's the norm or not. Whatever, the assassin was typical of my neighbor's nation; a big coincidence...

So, badly-timed rare event or wicked move?

[Calahan]

Originally Posted by Vishniac

"Independents attacks C'tis".

If the message with the assasian attempt actually said "Independents" then it was a random event, as there is a random event(s) that result in a special assasian attempt ('special' meaning no bodyguards can be used) against a random commander in the province. (check the random events list attached to Edi's signature).

If the message said "Special Monsters" then it was a remote assasian spell cast by an anonymous nation.

If the assasian was from another nation in the game then it would say "Nation A v Nation B". There is no way for a player to simulate the "Independents" message during an assasianation, so it can only be a random event if that is the case. (the same/similar assasian unit is just a coincidence)

[Legendary League]

Oh, so you got the ninja assassination event and are bordering Jomon?

It isn't connected, actually. The event is independent of Jomon. It's like the bands of Ronin which are also, while Jomon-themed, not actually caused by Jomon (besides perhaps them being in the game, but then you'd get barbarians instead probably and those are honestly worse in my opinion).

That being said, as for remotes, if you can tell who they're coming from and its being sent at you, then you are well within your rights to call them out on it as a violation.

What you do have to worry about though are those Mind Hunts when there are 4 astral nations running about.

[Vishniac]

Thanks, Calahan!

The message said:
"There was a battle in Province X (special)"
Then "Independents attack..."

So it was indeed a coincidence! Wars have begun like that!
I was right to stay cautious then.
After years of playing the game SP, I don't think I have ever seen this random event targeting a lone commander.

Ok, sorry to have cast a doubt on someone. But that's the goal of the thread too: to ask questions about what's happening.
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Speaking of it, there's a lot happening these turns. How come nobody talks about it? For fear of losing a slight advantage? For me, discussing the game (even in general terms) is part of learning more about it.
Information is power, that's true.

Information, the first principle of warfare, must form the
foundation of all your efforts. Know, of course, thine enemy.
But in knowing him do not forget above all to know thyself.
The commander who embraces this totality of battle shall win
even with the inferior force.
-- Spartan Battle Manual

[Legendary League]

I'm currently trying to contact Utgard in the event this is all a giant (hehe) mistake.

If it isn't, I'm kind of annoyed since it does throw off game balance somewhat, and he should've told me so we could've grabbed a sub instead. Oh well.