Greek OOB31 v.9

[DRG]

Originally Posted by Pibwl

On the other hand, it's me, who is wasting time researching info and giving results

Just keep in mind this is something YOU decided all on your own needs doing........ nobody on this end asked for it to be done.

[Imp]

Look at the big picture takes a while to cross check & verify another source, 2 sources exluding Wiki you can probably sign off on. Also & this is just my preference, dont really care about the pictures I would rather the time was spent on trialing ideas after all they are pretty good at it.

[DRG]

Originally Posted by Imp

I would rather the time was spent on trialing ideas after all they are pretty good at it.

Yeah.......the seemingly endless hours dealing with OOB minutiae year after year does cut into that aspect of development.

[Pibwl]

Originally Posted by DRG

Just keep in mind this is something YOU decided all on your own needs doing........ nobody on this end asked for it to be done.

Naturally. I only meant, that if you don't find it worthy to apply, you can just ignore. Don't feel obliged. I only try to improve historical accuracy, giving some hints (and yes, I'm a bit of a picture aficionado). I think, that among the comments above there are at least several errors spotted, that are easy to be fixed, and should not stay.

As for sources - it's not easy to find something serious about Greek equipment, but all the info quoted above look reliable. I know limits of Wikipedia, but I treat it only as a help (if it doesn't mention about Greek usage of Valentines, it is some hint, if Greek pages don't confirm it either). On the other hand, if Greek Wikipedia says, that 6.5mm Hotchkiss were only Greek MGs apart from Chauchats, it is something to think about

[Pibwl]

A bit on partisans and fighting vehicles:
(mostly concern pictures - I have no interest myself in changing their pictures, but since I wrote it down several months ago, I'll continue)


383 LRDG Jeep - better photo, instead of just MGs, seems 12535/2559

406 EDES Partisans - a well-known photo 8792 is in fact leftist ELAS group http://ww2today.com/6-december-1944-...vene-in-greece , not nationalist EDES
I couldn't find a good photo described as EDES, but maybe these bearded guys from a bottom look more rightist (like EDES officers on the top) https://libcom.org/history/1941-1945...eek-resistance

400,401 EDES Demolition - a photo is a single Bren, which doesn't look like Demolition at all (and they have no LMG). The photo given above for ordinary EDES partisans might be better,

404,405 EDES Partisans - a photo is a wagon - as above.

424 ELAS Partisans - a better photo seems aforementioned 8792...

503 BR 2 Pdr Portee - photo is 6pdr, should be 12536

[IronDuke99]

Agree with Imp, don't think the photos matter all that much.

[Pibwl]

Well, as for me, as a former modeller, I've put much attention to visual side since SP-1, and I'm sure I'm not the only one... Anyway, it's up to you, what you do with it.

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To finish with vehicles:

15, 86 Fiat BL18 Truck [med truck/utility] - if we have it named, there's no mention about Fiat 18 in Greek army in TWH article nor on this page https://grvehicles.wordpress.com/category/1923-1939/
There were only light WW1 vintage Fiat 15, but in rather small number, especially towards end of 1930s.

A basic medium truck from 1930 on was Hansa-Lloyd (300 veh.) - it can be renamed so.
https://grvehicles.wordpress.com/201...d-4x2/#more-17
I'll attach a photo later, just in case

17 Chevy Hvy Truck - I think it should be named GMC (photo is GMC CCKW).


83 Mercedes-Benz G5 [utility] - bought already in 1938 (article in TWH and https://grvehicles.wordpress.com/201...gen-5/#more-29)


84 SdKfz 69 Protze [utility] - there is no info anywhere, that Krupps Protze were used (besides, SdKfz is wrong). It can be deleted, as there are other units in Utility vehicle class, with unit 86 covering all range.

There should be added Austin 8 utility vehicle instead (unit 286 from British OOB, with a name correction) - https://grvehicles.wordpress.com/2015/05/26/austin-8hp/ - around 200 were given by the British in a course of 1940 (late that year?)


90 Fiat 621 [med. truck] - there's no mention about Fiat 621, but 1.2t Fiat 618 were bought in 1936 (rather utility veh. than medium truck)
https://grvehicles.wordpress.com/201...t-618/#more-23
Might be deleted anyway.

91 Fiat SPA 35 [med. truck] - photo should be 16115 (now it's light CL 39). Name should be SPA Dovunque 35
https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/SPA_Dovunque_35
32 were given by the British.

93 Fiat SPA 38R [hvy truck] - photo is a heavy cab-over-engine Fiat 626, while Spa 38 was a conventional 2.5t medium truck
According to https://grvehicles.wordpress.com/201...carro-spa-38r/ only 25 were given by the British in 1940 (now 1/39)

If we want a heavy truck, it can be replaced by Lancia 3Ro from IT OOB - 60 were given in 1940 (12/40?).


94 Mercedes LG65/3 [hvy truck] - a better name would be just Mercedes LG, because LG65/3 (LG2500), LG63 (LG3000) and LG68 (LG4000) were used.

It is used among others in formation 270 Motorised Bty - but in fact, trucks towed only AA guns in Greek Army (both heavy and light guns), not field guns...

As I mentioned for unit 52 88mm FlaK 36, it was in fact acquired around 1938, along with Mercedes trucks, so a formation 83 Heavy AT Gun /M might be available much earlier - but I guess nobody thought of using them against tanks...

Formation 275 Cavalry Mot AA should be equipped with heavy trucks - light AA guns were scarce, and Mercedes trucks were bought especially in this purpose.


342 Fiat Art. Mover - there were no trucks towing guns in Greek Army until 19th Motorized Division in 1941.
It can be replaced with a prime mover Pavesi P4, used from 1935 (unit 422 from Italian OOB), although it was rather meant for guns of 105mm and more.
https://grvehicles.wordpress.com/201.../pavesi-l-140/
https://grvehicles.wordpress.com/201...si-p4/#more-25

For 85mm guns, halftracks Somua MCG5 were bought in France in 1936 - could be copied from French 165 Citroen-K P17 with speed 10 and maybe other photo
https://grvehicles.wordpress.com/201...-mcg5/#more-42

[Pibwl]

Navy:

62 3in Naval Gun - photo is Hunt class destroyer with 4in guns. There were indeed six boats with 3in guns before the war (A-1 - A-6) - better picture is eg. 17090

64 4.7in Naval Gun
191 Destroyer DD - Hydra class destroyers with 120mm guns were used from 11/32 only (now 1/30).
Photo is Hunt class destroyer with 4in guns.
A photo of Hydra class is here http://www.navypedia.org/ships/greece/gr_dd_hydra.htm or I'll attach one

63 4in Naval Gun,
190 D. Escort DE - it's actually the same, with a different photo only. Maybe it's worth to make unit 63 available until 12/43 (pictured Aetos class destroyers), and unit 190 from 1/43 (pictured Hunt class destroyers)? During 1943 there were both available.

192 Lt Cruiser CL - photo should be 16229 - of Greek Elli cruiser. She was sunk in 1940, but I guess it can be British support afterwards.

150,151 Patrol Ship, Escort Ship - alas, Greek navy had no such powerful patrol ships. One could be A-1 class patrol boat, with 3in gun and one MG (eg. weapon 144) - all lost in 4/41. Better picture is eg. 17090, better icon for such a small craft eg. 703

Only from 5/45 British Fairmile B ML's were used (1x40mm, 2x20mm, 4 MG) - might be photo 2069 from the British OOB

For a period between the two ships, unit 154 Merchant Marine could be extended.

That's all, I guess.

[IronDuke99]

That Naval link http://www.navypedia.org/ships/greece/gr_dd_hydra.htm is actually worth having for those interested in warships
http://www.navypedia.org/index.htm

[zastava128]

Just one correction: UNIT 83 has an obviously wrong start date (1/48). Possibly it was meant to be 1/38?