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				This is hot due to the  perishability of the story from the source, in this case JANE's which is  notorious for removing these stories after a month or so, unless you're a paying subscriber. 
 
You don't have to be a clairvoyant to not to be " able to read between the lines" here. The  F-35 program has suffered what I see as a major setback in that the decision to go to  full rate production has been pushed back until  DEC 2020 or  JAN 2021. That being said  IOC probably won't occur until  mid-2021 and  FOC
to  late-2021 or  mid-2022 earliest. 
 
We can no longer ignore what's happening in the " RL/or RW" and need to reconsider all the  START dates for these Jets. The following from  JANE's...
 
" Key Points
The Pentagon is pushing back its F-35 full-rate production decision by more than a year owing to issues with Joint Simulation Environment progress 
 
The facility is required to perform high-end threats that cannot be replicated in an open-air range"
 
It has to fully understood that " full rate production" is the " milestone/or key stone" event that leads to  IOC/OPEVAL & FOC, the termology might differ a little by country or service but, if it's in the Air, on Land or on the Surface or Under the Ocean, this is the pathway.
 
To be sure there are other issues  DID posts on them continuously every contract event is a continuation of fixing problems and updating systems.  These mean delays-period. 
 https://www.janes.com/article/92039/...n-by-13-months
https://www.defenseindustrydaily.com...m-edit-037947/
So far I can find  JANE's is the first to report on this from the Defense Industry side the article is from this past Friday.
 
All we're doing in Syria and Europe is " OPEVALING" these Jets much as I'll be showing the same thing for the  SU-57 later this week.
 
I know I've been " very vocal" about the F-35 pretty much from the start. 
 Also I know that everyone who's been involved with these games in a more direct fashion has the players and the games interests in mind
So this is where I stand...
This is no better then having tanks in OOB's that aren't there yet.  But to be clear, this next is  representative of who I work for here doing this work. From  Post #885 referring to  Posts #879 & #884 concerning Indian MBT submissions for this last Patch in the  MBT Thread.
 
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Thank you, there is a lot of work to be done in the ORBAT issues. 
I dont have much time to help, if I would it would take some 3 months to give information. 
Its disapointing to play a Pakistan-India scenario and lost to India with weapons they dont have.
 
Thanks"
 
And for the others that have asked me to look into equipment across the world over the years or just play the game.
 
This why I haven't walked away from the game or else it's likely when the " crap hit the fan" awhile back including this year and as it sometimes still does, I would've been long gone.  You have to have a purpose for ANYTHING you do in life, if not. you're wasting your time!!
I just wanted to be " crystal clear" on this controversial topic for everyone to understand, where I'm coming from.
 
I'm going to spend sometime with the Daughters family before they leave early in the morning. And I have to replace my  70K tires with only  37K on them in the morning. 
 
John since you couldn't get me my  JANE's yearly subscription, how about paying for my new tires!?! It'd be at least  $1500.00 cheaper!!! And they did give me a real good price!!      
" You Mugs" have a Good whatever it is wherever you are!
 
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				This is hot due to the  perishability of the story from the source, in this case JANE's which is  notorious for removing these stories after a month or so, unless you're a paying subscriber. 
 
You don't have to be a clairvoyant to not to be " able to read between the lines" here. The  F-35 program has suffered what I see as a major setback in that the decision to go to  full rate production has been pushed back until  DEC 2020 or  JAN 2021. That being said  IOC probably won't occur until  mid-2021 and  FOC
to  late-2021 or  mid-2022 earliest. 
 
We can no longer ignore what's happening in the " RL/or RW" and need to reconsider all the  START dates for these Jets. The following from  JANE's...
 
" Key Points
The Pentagon is pushing back its F-35 full-rate production decision by more than a year owing to issues with Joint Simulation Environment progress 
 
The facility is required to perform high-end threats that cannot be replicated in an open-air range"
 
It has to fully understood that " full rate production" is the " milestone/or key stone" event that leads to  IOC/OPEVAL & FOC, the termology might differ a little by country or service but, if it's in the Air, on Land or on the Surface or Under the Ocean, this is the pathway.
 
To be sure there are other issues  DID posts on them continuously every contract event is a continuation of fixing problems and updating systems.  These mean delays-period. 
 https://www.janes.com/article/92039/...n-by-13-months
https://www.defenseindustrydaily.com...m-edit-037947/
So far I can find  JANE's is the first to report on this from the Defense Industry side the article is from this past Friday.
 
All we're doing in Syria and Europe is " OPEVALING" these Jets much as I'll be showing the same thing for the  SU-57 later this week.
 
I know I've been " very vocal" about the F-35 pretty much from the start. 
 Also I know that everyone who's been involved with these games in a more direct fashion has the players and the games interests in mind
So this is where I stand...
This is no better then having tanks in OOB's that aren't there yet.  But to be clear, this next is  representative of who I work for here doing this work. From  Post #885 referring to  Posts #879 & #884 concerning Indian MBT submissions for this last Patch in the  MBT Thread.
 
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Join Date: Oct 2017 
Location: Portugal 
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Thank you, there is a lot of work to be done in the ORBAT issues. 
I dont have much time to help, if I would it would take some 3 months to give information. 
Its disapointing to play a Pakistan-India scenario and lost to India with weapons they dont have.
 
Thanks"
 
And for the others that have asked me to look into equipment across the world over the years or just play the game.
 
This why I haven't walked away from the game or else it's likely when the " crap hit the fan" awhile back including this year and as it sometimes still does, I would've been long gone.  You have to have a purpose for ANYTHING you do in life, if not. you're wasting your time!!
I just wanted to be " crystal clear" on this controversial topic for everyone to understand, where I'm coming from.
 
I'm going to spend sometime with the Daughters family before they leave early in the morning. And I have to replace my  70K tires with only  37K on them in the morning. 
 
John since you couldn't get me my  JANE's yearly subscription, how about paying for my new tires!?! It'd be at least  $1500.00 cheaper!!! And they did give me a real good price!!      
" You Mugs" have a Good whatever it is wherever you are!
 
Regards, 
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				This is hot due to the  perishability of the story from the source, in this case JANE's which is  notorious for removing these stories after a month or so, unless you're a paying subscriber. 
 
You don't have to be a clairvoyant to not to be " able to read between the lines" here. The  F-35 program has suffered what I see as a major setback in that the decision to go to  full rate production has been pushed back until  DEC 2020 or  JAN 2021. That being said  IOC probably won't occur until  mid-2021 and  FOC
to  late-2021 or  mid-2022 earliest. 
 
We can no longer ignore what's happening in the " RL/or RW" and need to reconsider all the  START dates for these Jets. The following from  JANE's...
 
" Key Points
The Pentagon is pushing back its F-35 full-rate production decision by more than a year owing to issues with Joint Simulation Environment progress 
 
The facility is required to perform high-end threats that cannot be replicated in an open-air range"
 
It has to fully understood that " full rate production" is the " milestone/or key stone" event that leads to  IOC/OPEVAL & FOC, the termology might differ a little by country or service but, if it's in the Air, on Land or on the Surface or Under the Ocean, this is the pathway.
 
To be sure there are other issues  DID posts on them continuously every contract event is a continuation of fixing problems and updating systems.  These mean delays-period. 
 https://www.janes.com/article/92039/...n-by-13-months
https://www.defenseindustrydaily.com...m-edit-037947/
So far I can find  JANE's is the first to report on this from the Defense Industry side the article is from this past Friday.
 
All we're doing in Syria and Europe is " OPEVALING" these Jets much as I'll be showing the same thing for the  SU-57 later this week.
 
I know I've been " very vocal" about the F-35 pretty much from the start. 
 Also I know that everyone who's been involved with these games in a more direct fashion has the players and the games interests in mind
So this is where I stand...
This is no better then having tanks in OOB's that aren't there yet.  But to be clear, this next is  representative of who I work for here doing this work. From  Post #885 referring to  Posts #879 & #884 concerning Indian MBT submissions for this last Patch in the  MBT Thread.
 
"RC4   
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Join Date: Oct 2017 
Location: Portugal 
Posts: 54  
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Re: MBT's 
 
Thank you, there is a lot of work to be done in the ORBAT issues. 
I dont have much time to help, if I would it would take some 3 months to give information. 
Its disapointing to play a Pakistan-India scenario and lost to India with weapons they dont have.
 
Thanks"
 
And for the others that have asked me to look into equipment across the world over the years or just play the game.
 
This why I haven't walked away from the game or else it's likely when the " crap hit the fan" awhile back including this year and as it sometimes still does, I would've been long gone.  You have to have a purpose for ANYTHING you do in life, if not. you're wasting your time!!
I just wanted to be " crystal clear" on this controversial topic for everyone to understand, where I'm coming from.
 
I'm going to spend sometime with the Daughters family before they leave early in the morning. And I have to replace my  70K tires with only  37K on them in the morning. 
 
John since you couldn't get me my  JANE's yearly subscription, how about paying for my new tires!?! It'd be at least  $1500.00 cheaper!!! And they did give me a real good price!!      
" You Mugs" have a Good whatever it is wherever you are!
 
Regards, 
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		Alright! I'm confused   , how come it is that I see  RC4 looks like he posted something in this thread  yesterday ~5:10pm under the  Community Forums/The Camo Workshop/WinSPMBT sections and when I go to  TO&Es section and click on the thread, there's no post.
 This is new to me, am I missing something!?!   OR...
am I going to find out I'm missing something basic out here.    ( Just in case the situation warrants that in advance!)
 
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		How come do I see  RC4 has posted something ( Community Forum/The Camo Workshop and WinSPMBT sections.) in this thread but,  there's no post shown in  TO&Es or when I open the Thread??? 
 
Am I having a    moment, as I've  NEVER seen this before?
 
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A nice change of pace and something you might appreciate in this crazy hectic world we live in nowadays.  Something I can most certainly respect. 
 
The neat thing is this event is only a couple of years older then me, if you can believe that!?!
 https://theaviationist.com/2019/06/1...denmarks-flag/
   
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		This is the USAF Public Affairs Office Announcement: The person posting this knows not what they are doing with these videos. In the interest of Public Safety, we are sending "Professionals" to assist this individual to minimize the Public Risk.  
Everyone knows we don't like the  A-10. and the rumors that it'll still be flying up to  2040 are untrue, along with the fact that the  B-52 will still be flying that long. 
 
After all, who would in their right mind fly aircraft that long anyway!?!
 
Not us after all we are the USAF.
 
So about these videos everything you're seeing is false and made up the person(s) using modern video technics to substitute  A-10 aircraft for what were really  F-35A aircraft.  REALLY would we kid you!?!
 
Again we're the  USAF Public Affairs Office and who are you believe us or whoever is presenting these videos!?! 
 
But since we couldn't intercept the posting of these videos, again, it's all just make believe. In fact we're not sure the  A-10 ever really existed.
 So enjoy them purely from a fantasy or Sci-Fi entertainment perspective. 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...ature=emb_logo 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzqYvcBbXAU 
Thank You for your time.
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